Hi Rain,
As you have chosen to not await me getting back to you privately about how to work the RP you started without speaking to me into this plot, and have posted here, I feel I have to respond to some of what you say.
Rain wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:15 am
DM Golem wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:47 am
I think we are granting quite a lot of latitude as is! (note that the map to the north will be peopled with stronger devils soon and it will not be subject to laws etc)
Now this is where I need to speak on something from what you said here. If you were truely granting quite a latitude as you say then there would be three fronts to this event already. It already seems the more lawful players of the server have a place to go and contribute their time and resources into the plot (In both the front line and the soubar bridge). They have a base of operations and a front line to defend from the evil / chaotic forces of the fiends.
Now with that being said you guys have already confirmed that counter forces of this plot (the devils) are seeking people to fight for their front too. There is proof of that
here.
Note:
DM Spartacus wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 7:15 am
A single Imp skitters to a halt at the imposing entrance to Kraak Helzak, a parlay stick waving in the breeze. A squawking voice callas across the divide. "Now is your chance. Surrender now...and you can join in service with the army of Yogi the Devil, or die, what'll be?. There is a brief disbelieving silence from within. Then another Dwarven voice replies "The Imp is right we should yield and share the treasure, ale and profit for it is better than dying and I should know. Open the gates to them!
So with the bit of information why is there nothing for the people who wished to fight on this side currently in place? There is no front-line for them no base of operations nor is there even a window of opportunity currently for PC's to even join this side when you guys clearly have shown DM rumor of being able too. Now of course it's fairly obvious the repercussions that would come for joining the axis forces but from what ive read above
NPC's can come up with reasons to join the axis side be it survival or something to gain. PC's of course would have their own reasons as well if the opportunity from the team was there,
but it's not and I find that in most cases when there is ally vs axis
THERE NEVER IS!.
Why does no one take the initiative to make a -font-line- for the fiends?
I think this quoted section has a few core misunderstandings:
1 - That I am running the entire devil plot. I am not. I run the Winding Water only. My plot is Hellsteel v BG. What other fronts there are, or should be, are not relevant to how I run my section of the plot in deciding if I am granting latitude, likewise what Sparty is running in his plots is not relevant to mine in terms of what my devils will agree to. We each have different NPCs and different DMing styles.
2 - That latitude means complete freedom. It does not. I am not granting complete freedom of RP in IC terms on the Frontline. I am however being as accessible as I have time for, and trying to incorporate everyone's RP. However there are some things that have to happen to be true to the nature of the Flaming Fist
3 - That the fiends are chaotic. Fiends can be, demons. Devils are very lawful. If your PC is not lawful or close enough, you have
very little chance of siding with Hellsteel tower. The fiends are not chaotic. If Soubar's front is defined as lawful, this is Law, vs Law, Vs Law.
4 - There's literally been no demand to be on a frontline for fiends until you.
5 - Finally, my plot at least is very much aimed as NPC v PC, even when there is conflict. So my DMing of those working with/allied to the Devils never revolves around PVP and direct conflict, rather different factions against NPCs. I would not support what amounts to an arena, with devils + their PCs on one end, and Baldurians and their PCs on the other, in my plot. I think that is what having a "devil" territory openly joinable by PCs would amount to. As I have no interest in adjudicating that at the pace it would need to be, I would need other DMs to help me and us be on 18 horus a day to adjudicate things.
The tl;dr is, I'm so busy already, I have no interest in PC v PC dominating much of my DMing time, so alot of your wider points about having open conflict just fall on deaf ears to me. I'm willing to work with it on a limited basis if something can be worked out, but if I'm ever asked to effectively become a referee to a PVP arena, I'd have to think about whether I wanted to DM it at all.
Such ideas could be discussed on a wider basis as pertains to the plot as a whole, in a thread addressed to the CC's, but please do not bring them here as a reaction to the IC situation on the Frontline. I'm not prepared to alter my plot or the setting so heavily, and possibly double my workload, to facilitate it.
Rain wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:15 amWhy not instead of just making the central winding way a 2nd attempt at a CR 30 area (similar to the old baator portal in dragon spear) it is instead a place where the axis contribute against the ally and take down the stragglers and scouts of the bauldarians? Even if this is too much or there is some rhyme or reason you can't, still I find it strange that there are never mobs in place that are suppose to be "good" for the evil to fight / defend against. Which would probably answer alot of questions similar to the one thread where the person was questioning:
"Why to even buff smite good in the first place?"
cosmic ray wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:23 am
The main problem would remain in the form of a complete, or nearly complete, lack of targets outside of PvP.
See above. This is a thread about my plot (which you have privately asked to RP with and I am in the process of discussing with the team), not about server mechanics.
On the warzone, I wanted it put in as I wanted a place where the actual "war" happened. I run events on it. Its meant to get spawns for when I am not around but there has been a communications fubar on them going in
Rain wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:15 amThere is a fairly obvious imbalance of opportunity here.
There are, yes. I don't think the server caters to playing direct antagonists equally to other archetypes. I do not know a server that ever has. At least here there is no permadeath to make your time as an antagonist very short (I know Baibat has been killed at least once, for example).
However, I think this year we have spread the net of involvement as wide as ever as a team in recent months, and on my front I have done my best to be as inclusive as possible. As you know I am currently considering how to include your RP. But you ask a lot, in asking for your very particular RP to be catered for
in my plot, on the baldurian frontline, that is the element catering to Team BG.
Rain wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:15 amEspecially in an event where there should plenty of it to choose from instead of 2 ally sides vs 0 axis sides.
Again, this thread is about my plotline, not the metaplot as a whole.
Rain wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:15 am I find that only allowing the
team and not the players to control what it is the axis does for chess moves is totally out of touch and overlooked by the many players who want to play that side on this server. And this answer you gave me only further proves my point more. I
f you truly were granted latitude on this topic then there would be more window of opportunity for all players to procure be that because of their alignment, god, goals, gains or sheer hatred against the forces of evil vs the forces of good. IE: Paladins vs Black guards mentality.
Latitude is not complete freedom, see above.
My plot is aimed at Baldurian allied people primarily, see above.
I have had a total of two requests to work with the devils and I answered one of them, while yours is in process. I am not seeing this huge hidden group of people who want to destroy the world. You are the only person I have known who has advocated for a direct conflict world of warcraft style approach though; I expect those who want that are a small minority. And it is not on offer in my plotline (certainly not without a PC doing the legwork to be useful to the devils) given my plotline's focus
Rain wrote: ↑Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:15 am And of course this can all be done without PVP interaction at all! You guys have already nullified that by proceeding with this ruling. Thus IF the axis line was involved the ruling would still stand as vice versa while allowing the axis party to contribute to their plot with their own mobs to kill and challenges to overcome.
I can't see how this would not involve PVP interaction, without a strict set of OOC rules. I'm not sure how it would be avoided to be honest.
Lets say it was possible; then it would also not be the plot I am running on the Winding Water, so discussion of it does not belong in this thread.
(I am as I say, running another plotline that is aligned with the Devils)
In any event, I suggest you wait for the response from the team before opening a thread on a "team enslave the world, give us plot" arc as we are likely to be able to work with you in some capacity.