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Re: Polymorph/shapechange bugs

Unread post by Tsidkenu » Sat May 19, 2018 6:48 am

Cast Eagle's Splendor (or use a potion/scroll of the same) and that will prevent spell loss from +CHA item.
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Re: Polymorph/shapechange bugs

Unread post by Hawke » Sat May 19, 2018 11:10 am

the_flame_of_anor wrote:
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Tsidkenu wrote:The only 'fix' is not to use bonus spell slot items on your sorcerer so you have nothing to lose when shapechanging.
And to build to end up on 28 CHA minimum with/without Item, so that you get enough bonus spells to have no issue.
Just tested this on my sorc... Even without bonus spell slot items worn, so long as the sorc is wearing any charisma enhancement item, he will still lose spells per day. And losing a level 9 bonus spell due to enhanced high charisma every time he shifts is no joke, and not worth taking the shapeshift spell. And there is no way my sorc can swap out the shapeshift spell now.

I did not have this problem as I saw it on my sorc. That is quite odd. The boost should have kept it from being lost.
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Re: Polymorph/shapechange bugs

Unread post by the_flame_of_anor » Sat May 19, 2018 1:07 pm

Hmmm still doesn't work...

Did what Tsid suggested, cast Eagle's, still losing spells per day every time I shift back.
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Re: Polymorph/shapechange bugs

Unread post by Steve » Sat May 19, 2018 3:34 pm

Is your Character an Aasimar?
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Re: Polymorph/shapechange bugs

Unread post by the_flame_of_anor » Sat May 19, 2018 10:53 pm

Steve wrote:Is your Character an Aasimar?
Yea... Aasimar dragon disciple sorc, choke full of natural charisma goodness.

Why? Aasimars are allergic to shapeshifting?
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Re: Polymorph/shapechange bugs

Unread post by Tsidkenu » Sat May 19, 2018 11:33 pm

Probs cuz shapeshifting changes your base race from Aasimar -> chosen form, meaning you will lose your inherent +2 racial stat bonuses to Wis & Cha
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Re: Polymorph/shapechange bugs

Unread post by Steve » Sun May 20, 2018 2:40 am

Yes, shifting causes Racial Ability bonuses to disappear. I had a similar issue with a Deep Gnome Druid character, that whenever shifting, would lose spells (even though the NWN2 wiki states shifting only affects STR/DEX/CON).

The solution for my Svirf Druid was Owls Insight which grossly inflated Wisdom, this shifting burned up the unused bonus slots from that spell.

This is why much earlier in this thread I suggested a possible fix for shifters is a temporary Ability boost...though that has other issues to it as well (but could be mitigated with scripting).
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Re: Polymorph/shapechange bugs

Unread post by the_flame_of_anor » Sun May 20, 2018 5:14 am

Urrrgh. I don't suppose a fix is in the works anytime soon?
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Re: Polymorph/shapechange bugs

Unread post by DiceyCZ » Sun May 20, 2018 5:45 am

Well, speaking for tiefling and INT based casting this has been fixed some time ago. Maybe CHA was missed there? There pollyspellfix was listing INT from items and race separatly and it didn't stack since it was item bonus (I think, per observation). But it works now for me at least.
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Re: Polymorph/shapechange bugs

Unread post by Rudolph » Fri May 25, 2018 12:18 pm

Another bug:

I've been playing a specialized Shifter gish for a little while (lvl 8) and noticed that the weapon base damage is absent from my hits. According to the character sheet, my ogre should have
1-12 +10
+2 Bludgeoning
but every single hit he does shows only 12 damage in the combat log (never more, never less).

I tested this with the Minotaur form and saw the same problem there. The base damage obviously makes quite a difference, so hopefully this can be fixed soon.

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Re: Polymorph/shapechange bugs

Unread post by DiceyCZ » Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:25 am

"Shift Shape" feat is dispellable. Now I am not sure if this is intentional but it seems that a feat shouldn't be. If it is, does your char's CL transfer to it correctly since it's a feat and not spell?
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Re: Polymorph/shapechange bugs

Unread post by Valefort » Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:59 am

Shift shape feat is dispellable because it's tied to your active polymorph/shapechange spell. If those are dispelled the feat naturally goes away, and your char's CL is correctly taken into account.
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Re: Polymorph/shapechange bugs

Unread post by DiceyCZ » Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:31 am

So, does it get dispelled only if for example they dispell "Shapechange"? Because I got hit with dispell in Serpent Hills and only the effect "Shift Shape" was dispelled but not "Shapechange" so I could turn back right away.

It gave me the list of dispelled effects and it listed "Shift Shape"
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Re: Polymorph/shapechange bugs

Unread post by Valefort » Sat Jun 02, 2018 12:04 pm

Hmm good point they probably weren't linked properly.
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Re: Polymorph/shapechange bugs

Unread post by DiceyCZ » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:05 am

Hello,
just wanted to ask. I have written already before that some forms seem to not consider a few items from gear while some do without any feedback. For example Planetar and Arboreal elf don't get regen from cloak while some forms and especially ones without weapon do. Arboreal elf doesn't even list "Point Blank Shot" From my bracers in feat list, Erynia does but not sure she actually gets the bonus etc..

So my question is if forms should be having regen from cloak and if they should recieve feats from gear, if so, is the fact that some don't a bug or is it by design, or maybe some forms lack some sort of space to fit those "enchantments"?

Thank you :)
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