Rename Role-playing sections (Surface & UD)

[Steve]

As it stands, we have two sections on the Forum for RP posts, titled: the Elfsong Tavern & Gloura's Wings.

The Elfsong Tavern, once the Surface spawn point, is now a hardly used, minority location to the expanded Surface we have today. Gloura's is still a spawn point, but the UD has expanded to a Middledark and Upperdark.

While I am nostalgic about the Elfsong myself, it is high time to better label the sections in which we place our Forum RP and documentation!

So, perhaps it can be the Elfsong Tavern is renamed "The Sword Coast of Baldur's Gate," and Gloura's is renamed "the Sword Coast of the Upper and Middledark." Yeah, those are rather technical titles, so maybe you have a more creative suggestion?

This way, under those titles, there can be sub-Topics made like "Rumors and Events of Rockrun and its Surrounds" and such. Personally, I see some importance in placing RP with regional significance, because otherwise it's a bit silly to think that one RP action reported is "understood" in a region/place possibility hundreds of kilometers away!

[electric mayhem]

*like +1 *

[Khazrak]

Also +1ing, but I'd add that the Upperdark/Rockrun may needs its own forum, since it's supposed to be a part of both the Surface and the Underdark, rather than being its own forum. This would also make it easier if more areas are added as a neutral zone later.

[BigJ]

I have to ask, why not just create a thread already named ""Rumors and Events of Rockrun and its Surrounds" in Gloura's and start posting? That way at least the staff can see the activity / demand.

Although maybe make the thread in the Elfsong as I read there are more surfacers than deep gnomes in Rockrun?

Or perhaps even just class Rockrun & Deep gnomes as surface PC's going forward?

I dunno, I haven't seen many deep gnomes in the UD since I got back, so maybe I just miss them

Whats the deep gnome stance towards tanarukks? Can Bugg come say hi? I rarely did with my drow, just didnt seem natural

BigJ

[Khazrak]

Whats the deep gnome stance towards tanarukks? Can Bugg come say hi? I rarely did with my drow, just didnt seem natural

BigJ

Tanarukk would probably get squinted at. Rockrun itself welcomes whoever into town (so it seems), but orcs/Drow/Duergar aren't exactly trusted by svirfneblin as a whole. Some may accept you, if only because a Tanarruk might be used against the Drow, but consider that svirfneblin are largely neutral or good.

[BigJ]

but consider that svirfneblin are largely neutral or good.

This always makes me chuckle. When I looked them up a long a while back I read some canon lore that about a svirf town that enslaved an aasimar, then ripped his wings off as punishment when he tried to escape.

That said, if the majority of the svirf players are neutral to good then maybe they should classed as a surface race in the sense they can go up top from the upperdark, rather than be classed as UD'ers? Maybe open up more options for them for their neutral to good rp?.

Just a thought. Would the Svirf players want that?

BigJ

[Tekill]

I think it's something to disguss.
Right now I think they are considered kos on the surface yet surfacers are allowed in Rockrun. At least change this double standard.

I think since they are in the nuetral territory then they should be nuetral to both sides.

Svivs are creatures of necessity so they will deal with who they have to. Humans dwarves orcs or drow.

Rockrun deals with both sides so it's inhabitants/players need the feedom as well.

We don't have to be best pals with humans and drow...maybe just not kos.

[electric mayhem]

Yes, there's some sort of weird disparity going on with Rockrun.

At some point, the builders or recent inhabitants of the city/town went to extraordinary efforts to hide the place. And it's well guarded.

Lorewise... I'm not even sure if the surface races, Helzak dwarves included, would have been able to find it so easy. Not to mention the drow of Sshamath too.

Any of the lore I've read on gnome civilised towns, they are incredibly well hidden, and very seldom include strangers of other races into their walls.

Yes i understand there are limits to what we can actually achieve with NWN2... but surely it could be a bit more protected and... reclusive?
I mean EDE hideout is pretty well hidden, doubt many people on the server know how to get there.

[BigJ]

"I think since they are in the nuetral territory then they should be nuetral to both sides . ."

"We don't have to be best pals with humans and drow...maybe just not kos."

They can't have it both ways, have to be KOS one way or the other. I just thought if Rockrun is neutral to good then not being KOS on the surface would open up more RP opportunities for them.

Yes, there's some sort of weird disparity going on with Rockrun.

At some point, the builders or recent inhabitants of the city/town went to extraordinary efforts to hide the place. And it's well guarded.

Lorewise... I'm not even sure if the surface races, Helzak dwarves included, would have been able to find it so easy. Not to mention the drow of Sshamath too.

Problem here is server lore. Server lore is Rockrun was a Duergar town before the svirfs took over, and as duergar trade with most of the UD, the UD knows where Rockrun is (Especially Sshamath).

Now if they ret-conned the server lore, maybe then it could happen. But those quests would have to be moved outside Rockrun so they are accessible to other UD'ers, if Rockrun/svirfs stay as UD'ers (ifs are building up )

That said I dont even know what those quests are or how many, I might have to go find out just for kicks.

I'm guessing the staff would be open to changing things, if all the svirf players wanted it and it was done fairly, I dont see why not.

BigJ

[Tekill]

They can't have it both ways, have to be KOS one way or the other.

Realistically wouldn't it make more sense for the Svirfneblin to be KOS by both sides?

-The surfacers can already kos Svirvs if they step foot on the surface, and I'm guessing the lorewise reason for this is the surface lumps the Svirvs in with the other UD races.

-The UD races are all generally evil so it makes sense they could kos pretty much everything, including svirvs.

One way or the other just seems contradictory.
The good/neutral surface races seem less likely to kos a svirv than an evil UD race, in general.
But the UD races are more familiar with the Svivs and the leverage that being citizens of Rockrun brings them in this part of the UD. So maybe they would be less trigger happy at first sight, seeing a Sviv in its natural habitat than a surfacers would be spotting a strange creepy black gnome skulking around ont the surface.

This is why Svirfneblin cities are such a well guarded secrets. Because everyone is out to get the Svivs.
Yet Rockrun has open doors to both sides, as dangerous as that is.

So unless Rockrun closes its doors to one side or the other, I think Svirfneblins either need to be kos to both sides or neither.

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