Intimidate on other players.
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- Mance
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Intimidate on other players.
Usally dm`s are not allowing to use social skills check at "player and player" situations. But some players on server want to do so. The problem is - they got no idea how dc of this check is calculated. Some player complained cause i ingored his intimidation. So i decided to create this topic instead of arguing with him.
Example John using intmidate on Gregor. Rolled his skill and got 50. Big number. However... Gregor just laughing. Why? I'll explain.
DC of intimidation = Target level+His Saves against fear (Will saves+bonus checks against fear) +1D20.
Math aside - to intimidate an average 30 lvl character you need to beat 60+dc. If you cant - i think its better to not even try. You are not that scary for seasoned adventurer
Q. I used intimidate without any problems at NWN2 original stories. Why its hard to scare another player?
A. Social skill checks never meant to be used against other players. And players usally more powerfull than bunch of thugs and poor baker you scared
Q. But i scared of a bunch of ogres. They looks strong! What the problem?
A. Exactly. Challenge raiting of ecnounter is based on power of enemies and their quanity. So at level 20 and maxed intimidation you scared a ogre leader, which had 10 lvl and loads of about same level troops.
P\S Fear Immune Creatures\Classes cant be intimidated at all.
P\P\S Its possible to intimidate other players of 30lvl. But you need to put a lot at indimidate skill. Get a gear for it. And yes, feats.
Example John using intmidate on Gregor. Rolled his skill and got 50. Big number. However... Gregor just laughing. Why? I'll explain.
DC of intimidation = Target level+His Saves against fear (Will saves+bonus checks against fear) +1D20.
Math aside - to intimidate an average 30 lvl character you need to beat 60+dc. If you cant - i think its better to not even try. You are not that scary for seasoned adventurer
Q. I used intimidate without any problems at NWN2 original stories. Why its hard to scare another player?
A. Social skill checks never meant to be used against other players. And players usally more powerfull than bunch of thugs and poor baker you scared
Q. But i scared of a bunch of ogres. They looks strong! What the problem?
A. Exactly. Challenge raiting of ecnounter is based on power of enemies and their quanity. So at level 20 and maxed intimidation you scared a ogre leader, which had 10 lvl and loads of about same level troops.
P\S Fear Immune Creatures\Classes cant be intimidated at all.
P\P\S Its possible to intimidate other players of 30lvl. But you need to put a lot at indimidate skill. Get a gear for it. And yes, feats.
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Darreth - Hoar's paladin.
Graham - traveler from Frozenfar.
Shello Tide - Shaman from Rashemen.
Darreth - Hoar's paladin.
- DM Mimic
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Re: Intimidate on other players.
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=36831
See the section under Skill Rolls:
See the section under Skill Rolls:
– Skill Rolls Between players
– Skill rolls may be used as guidelines in RP. However, a player is not required to follow any Skill rolls unless a DM enforces it. Only a DM may enforce skill rolls.
- Mance
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Re: Intimidate on other players.
Thanks I'm aware of rules. But some players dont. Thats why i created this topic.DM Mimic wrote:viewtopic.php?f=7&t=36831
See the section under Skill Rolls:
– Skill Rolls Between players
– Skill rolls may be used as guidelines in RP. However, a player is not required to follow any Skill rolls unless a DM enforces it. Only a DM may enforce skill rolls.
Active characters:
Graham - traveler from Frozenfar.
Shello Tide - Shaman from Rashemen.
Darreth - Hoar's paladin.
Graham - traveler from Frozenfar.
Shello Tide - Shaman from Rashemen.
Darreth - Hoar's paladin.
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Re: Intimidate on other players.
Glad to see someone grasping the rules so quickly.
So what is the suggestion?
Would you like the post moved to the Tips and Tricks section of the forums?
So what is the suggestion?
Would you like the post moved to the Tips and Tricks section of the forums?
- Mance
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Re: Intimidate on other players.
Well. i wasnt sure where to post this message. So i picked a " Suggestions and Discussion". However.. It seems some folk got a little idea bout skills mechanics and calculations of DC of skill checks. So perhaps it can be helpful at tips and tricksHawke wrote:Glad to see someone grasping the rules so quickly.
So what is the suggestion?
Would you like the post moved to the Tips and Tricks section of the forums?
Active characters:
Graham - traveler from Frozenfar.
Shello Tide - Shaman from Rashemen.
Darreth - Hoar's paladin.
Graham - traveler from Frozenfar.
Shello Tide - Shaman from Rashemen.
Darreth - Hoar's paladin.
- Bobthehero
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Re: Intimidate on other players.
So that's settled then, I had someone argue agaisnt it some time ago.Mance wrote: P\S Fear Immune Creatures\Classes cant be intimidated at all.
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- Mance
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Re: Intimidate on other players.
A character immune to fear (such as a paladin of 3rd level orBobthehero wrote:So that's settled then, I had someone argue agaisnt it some time ago.Mance wrote: P\S Fear Immune Creatures\Classes cant be intimidated at all.
higher) can’t be intimidated, nor can nonintelligent creatures.
Copypasted from official 3.5 PHB Book. If someone argues just look at official D&D rules
Active characters:
Graham - traveler from Frozenfar.
Shello Tide - Shaman from Rashemen.
Darreth - Hoar's paladin.
Graham - traveler from Frozenfar.
Shello Tide - Shaman from Rashemen.
Darreth - Hoar's paladin.
- artemitavik
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Re: Intimidate on other players.
Ooh man, I REALLY wanted to intimidate the next ooze I came across...Mance wrote:
A character immune to fear (such as a paladin of 3rd level or
higher) can’t be intimidated, nor can nonintelligent creatures.
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