mrm3ntalist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:56 pm
EasternCheesE wrote: ↑Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:39 pmThere surely is mordenkeinen disjunction. Which we face very rarely, let us be honest. Most bosses have it and maybe few spellcasting regular mobs. Everything else is about greater dispel magic that is overused in many places. Also, spell penetration does nothing in terms of dispel success or resistance against dispels in first place.
You made the claim that one wont take PSC to save one feat. All the examples i gave is why that is not the case and some go beyond the matter of dispelling. Not one in his right mind will skip PSC. They will skip everything else before that feat. For those reasons, even the ones not affecting dispelling your point is wrong
Making emotional statements about my logic or results of me trying to add up to the discussion so we find a compromise doesn't anyhow benefit any of us here, M3ntalist. Please stop throwing emotions, because it won't help to convince anyone, but only make it harder to communicate.
I have no idea what you are talking about....
My point was, and i repeat it in case i worded it in ambiguous way:
1) Reducing CL limit on greater dispel by 5 effectively lets current CL 29 build to drop practiced spellcaster and still being in safe margin for being immune to g. dispels completely. Thus, 1 free feat.
2) For CL 20 gishes, like one i play, it reduces the risk to lose each out of 6 attempted wards by 25%, because, currently, because greater dispel is 1d20 + 20 vs mine flat 31DC, 50% dispel chance for any mob with at least 20 CL.
3) For new and existing builds, it makes it possible to adjust builds from point 1 to drop 4 spellcaster levels, leaving practiced spellcaster in, thus making them more stronger in their martial part of gish and still staying immune to g. dispels and just building something new already accounting this change.
As of emotional statements:
1) You keep claiming my ideas wrong without constructive well explained argumentation.
2) You keep using provocative manner of speech.
3) You speak for majority basing on your own opinion assuming no one will do something without providing any grounded explanation or finished poll.
4) You drag totally unrelated topics i participate in forums, to this topic, where it serves no purpose to help on this particular one.
That's what i consider being emotional statements that don't help discussion and serve no useful purpose, and that's what i ask you to, please, stop doing.
To me, there is no right or wrong side in this conversation since there are many ways to create balance aside from what we discussed here. So, it's just arguments, opinions and suggestions we discuss. If we succeed in finding compromise that would allow people to suffer from dispels less while making as few changes as possible, it's something we can give as a solid proposition to server decision makers to consider. If we don't, most likely, decision makers will have to find this compromise themself. I myself participate in these discussions because i believe, together with players, we can help a lot in making good decisions.
So, i am here and i try to point at weak points of suggestions, i participate and give my own ideas in hope we can find balance.
Please, stop being emotional and look at both sides. People with opposite opinion are not your enemies, after all. We totally can agree to disagree.