Hymn of Requiem Balance Changes

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In pvp Requiem is pretty op, you can run out of a silenced area.. and for Sonic immunity, anyone with a wand of lesser spell breach makes that useless.

Okan wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 1:03 pm I agree. The damage portion seems the part needs to be nerfed, not the healing.
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PvP is extremely low in terms of priority (always last as far as I'm concerned), however in PvE the healing is what matters, especially for STR bards who deal much more physical damage in a round than their requiem does.
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Is this nerf bat going to land on Favored Souls and Druids (esp. Dragon Druids) any time soon? They can heal, fight and tank just as well as our friend the bard after all ...
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Once the nerf monster is fed past midnight, it keeps on growing and growing.

There will always be something op relative to something else.

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A welcomed change. Keep’em coming!
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One alternative would be to leave this as-is and add a new requirement, CHA 19 (to stick with the SD and Heirophant reqs). This would prevent the STR bards from cheesing it out, for the most part, wouldn't it?

Or put the pre-req CHA even higher and boost it up a bit?
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Zeland wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 2:36 am In pvp Requiem is pretty op, you can run out of a silenced area.. and for Sonic immunity, anyone with a wand of lesser spell breach makes that useless.

Okan wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 1:03 pm I agree. The damage portion seems the part needs to be nerfed, not the healing.
Running out of a silence area does not restart the requiem, it's on a 2m CD.
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Ariella wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 3:35 pm
Zeland wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 2:36 am In pvp Requiem is pretty op, you can run out of a silenced area.. and for Sonic immunity, anyone with a wand of lesser spell breach makes that useless.

Okan wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 1:03 pm I agree. The damage portion seems the part needs to be nerfed, not the healing.
Running out of a silence area does not restart the requiem, it's on a 2m CD.
And as long as the target of the Song of Requiem is silenced he will be immune to sonic damage anyhow, which means that movement on the bard's side is meaningless when damage is concerned.

While the ability is strong it is very easy to counter. Casters can use Energy Immunity if they want to keep casting spells, while everyone else can use silence wands. I can find reason in bringing down the healing aspect a peg, but decreasing the damage will only affect and encourage the unprepared. To the prepared people this ability does nothing.
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Make sure the npcs get the same nerf.....????
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Pan-some wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 2:22 am Make sure the npcs get the same nerf.....????
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Yep just crap moves on this server over and over again. No real imagination. Just cheap moves.
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Calodan wrote: Mon May 27, 2019 3:57 pm Yep just crap moves on this server over and over again. No real imagination. Just cheap moves.
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These changes should be reverted ASAP.
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Yep, i second that. Otherwise i understamd why so few poeple play high level bards at the moment. It makes the bard uninteresting and pretty much useless.
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bards are still very powerful, and they are not healers.
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