Well,mrm3ntalist wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:09 pmOvernerfed? WowKOPOJIbPAKOB wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 10:08 am It seems that the only remaining niche for the class is slow and chunky Fighter with shield + sword. For all other builds Dervish would simply do CoC's job better. Swash synergy was removed, the class requirements won't let you build a proper Dex tank with Epic dodge + Uncanny dodge. I like the concept, just a shame it was overnerfed so hard. And just to think some people were suggesting to nerf it harder.
It’s better than dervish, in any way you see it - same ac, constant damage from dex, bonus feat, burst 2d6.
What surprises me that not one here mentioned the build, that in my view, breaks it
I beginning to doubt myself now … is that a bad thing doc?
1) Dervish provides the same +2d6 damage boost that would last the same as well, except it's 3 charges instead of 5 min cooldown, but in a nutshell it's roughly the same.
2) Dervish's damage is not constant (10 min between rests in summary), but its bonus is much stronger since it also boosts AB, and +6 Elegant strike bonus is like the max you'll get anyway (you'll need to sacrifice strength damage to go for +10).
3) 1 bonus feat is nice, but Dervish gives 4 of them, these feats let you qualify for other prestige classes, like Thief Acrobat, Weaponmaster or Tempest. In other words, Dervish greatly synergizes with other prestige classes, CoC doesn't. But if you don't plan to add any feat-expensive classes, then CoC's bonus feat is indeed better.
Add here that Dervish provides more skillpoints and has more liberal requirements. In PvE, I suppose they're more or less on par, with CoC winning in quality of life. In PvP, Dervish is undoubtedly way stronger. I'm not saying that the current CoC is bad, just a class that performs a little worse than Dervish in its niche. There could be CoC specific niches that Dervish can't fill, but they got killed before the release, which is the part that upsets me.
Also, what is this build that would break it?