Does storm Avatar make you immune to crushing hand?

[Darkcloud777]

As the subject matter asks. Does the spell storm avatar make you immune to crushing hand?

does it make you immune to grasping hand?

does it make you immune to forceful hand?

[Blackman D]

it only gives you KD immunity so it would only help you against bull rush (forceful hand)

freedom of movement if i remember right may stop grasping since it only pins you down

but last i remember only high AC stops crushing, crushings grapple check is AC based it doesnt care about anything else

[Moltrazahn]

The caster can "Fail" the grapple on various reasons.

1: The targets SR beats your hand.

2: You simply miss the target (Edit: AC of target )

3: Target is immune to stun, hold, grapple, knockdown etc.

As for your question for Storm Avatar, found this pretty easily on google:

The "deflection of missile weapons" is provided by 100% concealment against ranged attacks. This includes ranged touch attacks such as Eldritch Blast and Polar Ray, but not spells such as Isaac's Greater Missile Storm.

(NEED TO TEST THIS! finally a way to be safe!)

[LISA100595]

Yes. The description of Storm Avatar:

Description

You become empowered by the swift strength and destructive fury of a fierce storm, lightning crackling from your eyes for the duration of the spell. Wind under your feet enables you to travel at 200% normal speed (effects do not stack with haste, expeditious retreat and similar spells) and prevents you from being knocked down by any force short of death. Missile weapons fired at you are deflected harmlessly. Finally, almost all melee attacks you make do an additional 3d6 points of electrical damage.

[Karond]

As the subject matter asks. Does the spell storm avatar make you immune to crushing hand?

does it make you immune to grasping hand?

does it make you immune to forceful hand?

No, it does not.

If you've mind immunity and storm avatar, you're immune to Bigby's Forceful Hand since it's daze+knockdown on that spell. But, it's an unlikely combination, unless you've a protection from alignment or such, or a mind blank casting party member.

But, but Grasping hand and Crushing hand is an AC roll. You might be fooled, because the dragon druids are immune to some or all bigbys, but that's because the dragon form itself is of such a size category that those spells can't affect it.

Given that it's ranged touch, I assume that stormavatars deflection does infact - indeed - protect you from Bigby.

It's not ranged touch. There is no attack roll, like with actual ranged touch attack spells. Storm avatar is immunity towards orbs, polar rays and such.

[matelener]

Speaking from experience:

- Storm's avatar makes you immune only against Forceful Bigby (from the Bigby line of spells)

- Grasping / Crushing hands WORK on druids in dragon form but you have to beat their AC with the roll which isn't hard if you've got 30 Caster levels and +10 casting mod (the formula for the roll is on nwn2 wiki). Once you beat their AC, they get another roll each round (different one, based on their STR and BAB)

[Aelcar]

Speaking from experience:

- Storm's avatar makes you immune only against Forceful Bigby (from the Bigby line of spells)

No, it does not. See Karond´s reply (except the Druid immunity part: they are very resistant because of AC and size, as he correctly stated, but not immune).

- Grasping / Crushing hands WORK on druids in dragon form but you have to beat their AC with the roll which isn't hard if you've got 30 Caster levels and +10 casting mod (the formula for the roll is on nwn2 wiki). Once you beat their AC, they get another roll each round (different one, based on their STR and BAB)

Correct in essence, but you´re a bit too optimistic with the numbers...Druids have a better AC than you think .

@Darkcloud

Here´s what happened:

Cle or FS has immunity to mind effects either via Circle vs good or similar 24/7, therefore with a knockdown immunity potion SL is immune to Bigby 6 (Quickened Bigby 6 is your move, I reckon).

Alternatively, you couldn´t beat the SR (always up, 42), or the SL mantled up.

[matelener]

Speaking from experience:

- Storm's avatar makes you immune only against Forceful Bigby (from the Bigby line of spells)

No, it does not. See Karond´s reply (except the Druid immunity part: they are very resistant because of AC and size, as he correctly stated, but not immune).

- Grasping / Crushing hands WORK on druids in dragon form but you have to beat their AC with the roll which isn't hard if you've got 30 Caster levels and +10 casting mod (the formula for the roll is on nwn2 wiki). Once you beat their AC, they get another roll each round (different one, based on their STR and BAB)

Correct in essence, but you´re a bit too optimistic with the numbers...Druids have a better AC than you think .

@Darkcloud

Here´s what happened:

Cle or FS has immunity to mind effects either via Circle vs good or similar 24/7, therefore with a knockdown immunity potion SL is immune to Bigby 6 (Quickened Bigby 6 is your move, I reckon).

Alternatively, you couldn´t beat the SR (always up, 42), or the SL mantled up.

Ah, right. There is still the daze effect, Storm's Avatar protects only from the knockdown.

I mixed it up with the dragon form immunity. And Karond mixed up the types of bigbies. So, to clarify:

- Storm's Avatar makes you immune to Knockdown from Bigby 6 but not the daze
- Dragon form makes you immune to all effects of bigby 6 (Dragon Companion is immune to it too!)
- Bigby 7 and 9 work on Dragon Druids and the only immunity against them is Spell Mantle.

[Darkcloud777]

Sadly i did not capture the combat logs in screenshots. It was an epic battle and my first spell was crushing hand. she had either mantled up or beat my spell with her spell resistance would be the only explanations?

[Karond]

You might be fooled, because the dragon druids are immune to some or all bigbys, but that's because the dragon form itself is of such a size category that those spells can't affect it.

And Karond mixed up the types of bigbies. So, to clarify:

- Dragon form makes you immune to all effects of bigby 6 (Dragon Companion is immune to it too!)

Yep, that is probably it. Some (one!), but not all. Bigby6 immunity, the others you need a mantle on. But, you can always tree stride away or suck it up. You've a good chance of resisting a bigby9 with a dragon druid

[Moltrazahn]

Hit them with a Mords first, then try bigby *nods sagely*