Typical paladin build thats decent.

[Valefort]

Paladins of Arvoreen allow that kind of combo !

And you can get 21/str/21 cha on a halfling too

[chad878262]

Rogue dip it's powerful, but there are other neat options that have some decent benefits as well. Couple examples:

1. 4 levels of man at arms will give 2 AC through free heavy armor optimization and shield block 1 as well as a minor buff and a debuff which is charisma based and could have around DC 30 even with only 4 levels in the class.

2. Hospitaler is easy to qualify for and will grant three bonus feats (1, 5, 9) two of which can be epic feats and help you qualify for EDM sooner. Can also be combined with morninglord to grant more uses of EDM/DS

[Randomgamer]

When I was looking at all the classes I noticed dragonslayer works well with Paladin since you get free tower shield and you get two of three or three of five spellcasting levels and get some small DR bonuses to elemental. Hospitlar is a poor choice IMO since it eats into your smite potential, you don't get full spell casting, and you lose bonus feats a Paladin would usually get at levels 23 and 26.

Paladins rely on a few buffs. The sacred morale bonus to strength in particular so you cant afford to have a low caster level and get dispelled.

[Kiran]

I do like the idea of 26 pala/4 arms.

Can arms also choose epic smite thing?

And would you then need the special level 1 skill that gives you the extra spell thingy ma thingy? (I do not know the names..)

[chad878262]

When I was looking at all the classes I noticed dragonslayer works well with Paladin since you get free tower shield and you get two of three or three of five spellcasting levels and get some small DR bonuses to elemental. Hospitlar is a poor choice IMO since it eats into your smite potential, you don't get full spell casting, and you lose bonus feats a Paladin would usually get at levels 23 and 26.

Paladins rely on a few buffs. The sacred morale bonus to strength in particular so you cant afford to have a low caster level and get dispelled.

Can you explain how it eats in to smite potential? Bonus feats at 5 and 9 replace epic feats lost and it gets 6/10 caster progression vs' 5/10 of Dragon slayer. P20/H10 can hit CL 30.

Can arms also choose epic smite thing?

And would you then need the special level 1 skill that gives you the extra spell thingy ma thingy? (I do not know the names..)

Not sure if they can take great smite as bonus feats, no idea what the rest of your question is though...

[fearknight2003]

From what I saw, basically a bosses worst nightmare.

Decent saves as well.

And was able to use 12 divine might or shield, can keep that up for some time.

With a tower shield easily sit on around 55 ac+ (Was using +3 items, not +4)

Bab seems very low though, fully buffed I was around 40.

Oh god, that is insane.

...did you happen to write it down?

I did not sadly, but got the char saved so will test in a moment, what numbers is it you want to see, the ac or the dmg?

The actual class numbers. Y'know, like Paladin 25/Fighter 5 or whatever the combo is. Along with the ability scores.

[Kiran]

Not sure if they can take great smite as bonus feats, no idea what the rest of your question is though...[/quote]

Sorry, dont worry, figured it out myself, and was talking about practised spellcaster, if it was needed or not, which it would be, to get higher CL.

What CL should you aim for as a paladin? 25+?

[chad878262]

30... Always 30. 28/29 isn't always a deal breaker, but greater dispel can debuff you, instead of only mords.

[Randomgamer]

When I was looking at all the classes I noticed dragonslayer works well with Paladin since you get free tower shield and you get two of three or three of five spellcasting levels and get some small DR bonuses to elemental. Hospitlar is a poor choice IMO since it eats into your smite potential, you don't get full spell casting, and you lose bonus feats a Paladin would usually get at levels 23 and 26.

Paladins rely on a few buffs. The sacred morale bonus to strength in particular so you cant afford to have a low caster level and get dispelled.

Can you explain how it eats in to smite potential? Bonus feats at 5 and 9 replace epic feats lost and it gets 6/10 caster progression vs' 5/10 of Dragon slayer. P20/H10 can hit CL 30.

Can arms also choose epic smite thing?

And would you then need the special level 1 skill that gives you the extra spell thingy ma thingy? (I do not know the names..)

Not sure if they can take great smite as bonus feats, no idea what the rest of your question is though...

Hello! Smite damage is based on paladin levels in addition to divine champion levels. If you are talking 30 Paladin vs. 20 paladin / 10 hospitaler remember that paladin gets 3 bonus epic feats at 23, 26, and 29. The hospitaler will have20 less hp due to d8 and a Hospitaler has to use one feat on practiced spellcaster while really not giving the paladin anything in return mechanically. It just doesn't mix well with Paladin if you plan on taking 20 or more levels of Paladin.

[chad878262]

But Dragon slayer works for a smiter?

Smiter should go p26/dc4, if more edm STR/CHA balanced hospitality works fine, but frankly paladin 30 Will do well with no other classes.

[freekender]

Another option is to go 26 Pal / 4 AK. Anointed Knight has Iron Will as a prerrquisite, but with 4 lvls you get Blindfight and Thoughness, +1 elemental damage, some nice extra skill points and Tumble as a class skill.

[chad878262]

Paladin have a spell for toughness, but getting tumble is a decent benefit. Only issue is you need able learner to max it and paladin has need of other skills so may not be able to afford it, depending on the build.

[Steve]

Toughness + Steadfast Determination. Being the holy sword of God and failing on a 1, sucks eggs.

[chad878262]

True...

[Wyatt]

Toughness + Steadfast Determination. Being the holy sword of God and failing on a 1, sucks eggs.

I have gotten to the point where I hate the RNG so much that I now take steadfast determination on almost every build that I make. It can definitely be a sacrifice in other areas but having a 35 fort safe and dying to DC 10 fort checks just grinds my gears. I suppose this may be less important on characters with spells that protect against such things like death ward or shadow barriers.