Evil Shrines Baldurs Gate

[V'rass]

Evil temples in the city will never happen... to many of the good aligned groups would throw a tantrum.

[thids]

display of symbols: this can be done in so many ways. a tattoo, a necklace, a ring, now IG this would likely be sold in the "examine" or portrayed on the cloak to symbolize this. now, not all PC's would have the need to display devotion, but a devout would have to work through this. i imagine this as christians during the roman occupation in the time of jesus. it has RW merit and is not outside any realm of reality especially given the cultural differences between modern society and that of 600 or more years ago.

I asked about this recently due to Zhents being allowed back in BG while Bane is still outlawed. I was told it referred to holy symbols specifically, which are very clearly holy symbols. As in: pendants with clearly symbols of those gods, and similar things.

so the dm;s broke their own rule in the gate, , allowing the zhents in

How so? You need to start making a difference between IC and OOC, because it is becoming slowly clear that you can't see it.

[7threalm]

no there is a ooc rule in place, it is an ooc rule-

hypothetically if i set up a shrine and someone took a screenshot and sent to the dm's I would be punished for metagaming the fist guards even if I rp doing it in secret out of the sight of the guards etc.

Now the same rule has been done rply like as the zhents or whoever can come into the city, if I take a screenshot of that send it to the dm team and tell them the zhents are metagaming the guards

they would be like whatever..

so the general take i get from it as long as you rp it, it okay to break the rules?

Or the rule is absurd and should be reevalulated by the dm team

If its a IC Law thats fine, but if its enforced oocly then that is where the headache begins. Esp the part with a flaming fist on the map. There is nothing IC about that wording, I can understand the fist being mad about it and smashing it.

Or mabey I should just get 10 people together and march through the streets and preach some dogma, and throw that headache in front of the dukes.

[Stonebar]

The Zhents Just formed a trade deal with Baldur's gate and can enter the city now. So Flaming Fist will not stop them.

[Ariella]

no there is a ooc rule in place, it is an ooc rule-

hypothetically if i set up a shrine and someone took a screenshot and sent to the dm's I would be punished for metagaming the fist guards even if I rp doing it in secret out of the sight of the guards etc.

Now the same rule has been done rply like as the zhents or whoever can come into the city, if I take a screenshot of that send it to the dm team and tell them the zhents are metagaming the guards

they would be like whatever..

so the general take i get from it as long as you rp it, it okay to break the rules?

Or the rule is absurd and should be reevalulated by the dm team

If its a IC Law thats fine, but if its enforced oocly then that is where the headache begins. Esp the part with a flaming fist on the map. There is nothing IC about that wording, I can understand the fist being mad about it and smashing it.

Or mabey I should just get 10 people together and march through the streets and preach some dogma, and throw that headache in front of the dukes.

Its an entirely IC thing, It would be meta gaming cause your breaking the law, There are a lot more guard inside the city then there is displayed. Pick a house or go to the sewers something out of site in general. You need to work IC to change the law, Just like the Zhents worked IC to get into the city.

[Laughing Octopus]

Guards and Flaming Fist do patrols and stuff, it's not like stealth game where you gotta keep out of sight. Ariella's right, if a group of people wanted to secretly gather to worship an outlawed religion, they pick a place nobody would look. The sewers are good choice, but dangerous and suspicious if a group of people go down there.

Instead, I would recommend an inn room where you're afforded at least a minor amount of privacy. Or you could make friends with (or alternatively blackmail) a local bar owner to use their cellar once a week. Even better if you can get somebody's house. Renegade faithful have to be careful though, and always on the move. Building a shrine or something is literally the worst thing you can do because you're basically making immovable evidence of the crime.

When you're hiding something as big as a congregation, bluff and diplomacy are way more economical than hide and move silently.

[Fury_US]

The caveat is in the language of the rule- an outright holy symbol is banned, yes- but the political symbol of the Zhentarim is not banned, even though it does pay homage to the primary faith of Bane. That means not a single Zhent is breaking any law by wearing a symbol of Zhentarim.

Welcome to the exciting world of politics and law!

[DM Dialectic]

OOC public service announcement for Amn.

There have been multiple market days and fairs in the past in Amn where folks went about publicly showing religious symbols of Bane, Bhaal, Malar, Myrkul, and Talos (most of the surface gods banned in BG) in public ways (right next to folks holding up symbols of Helm and Lathander) and the Amnian government didn't care as long as the law was otherwise followed.

In our server lore, there is even a public temple (implicitly public opulent shrine or temple depending on the canon lore) to Talos in Athkatla while there is also a large Lathanderite temple called the Dome of the Rose and another large Selunite temple called Moonhall (both are temples in canon lore as well).

Note, no surface faith is even explicitly banned in public ways (or the polity at large) in Amn in the manner that they are in BG:

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=42477

My point here? Baldur's Gate is not the only place on the game map in an urban area you could work towards making shrines that don't currently exist to a character's liking for some of the evil surface gods (or good surface gods for that matter) and the politics of doing so in Amn are generally way less constraining on the topic in regards to say faiths banned in BG.

[LISA100595]

OOC public service announcement for Amn.

There have been multiple market days and fairs in the past in Amn where folks went about publicly showing religious symbols of Bane, Bhaal, Malar, Myrkul, and Talos (most of the surface gods banned in BG) in public ways (right next to folks holding up symbols of Helm and Lathander) and the Amnian government didn't care as long as the law was otherwise followed.

*just a side note, that particular event, of course, broke out into several PVP's both inside and outside the city... also I can't be for sure, but I think a well known paladin fell due to associating with those known evil types from that day. A lot of people were forced to reverse meta-gaming or stretching their RP of their characters to "join the event" and "get along with the others".

Which is a good example to learn from for where we are right now with BG and the current plot and environment. *

[DM Dialectic]

OOC public service announcement for Amn.

There have been multiple market days and fairs in the past in Amn where folks went about publicly showing religious symbols of Bane, Bhaal, Malar, Myrkul, and Talos (most of the surface gods banned in BG) in public ways (right next to folks holding up symbols of Helm and Lathander) and the Amnian government didn't care as long as the law was otherwise followed.

*just a side note, that particular event, of course, broke out into several PVP's both inside and outside the city... also I can't be for sure, but I think a well known paladin fell due to associateuing with those known evil types from that day. A lot of people were forced to reverse meta-gaming or stretching their RP of their characters to "join the event" and "get along with the others".

Which is a good example to learn from for where we are right now with BG and the current plot and environment. *

"...that particular event..."

There have been a few market and fair days in Amnian towns, so I am not sure which specific event you referred to. In any case, if you have a question about such a case violating Paladin Code as enforced on our server, just ask the DM Team in a PM. As for PVP (inside and outside town) and "reverse meta-gaming" or "stretching their RP of their characters to 'join the event' and 'get along with the others'" I am not sure which specific event you referred to here, but there have at least been two market or fair days in Amn where my general impression was that no such OOC problems occurred or at least were minimal enough to not appear on my radar OOC or otherwise the DM Team's records. The point being that such interactions in the legal space of Amn can be workable RP if it is something folks want to pursue IC.