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I. Shadow Magic description error?
Wiki wrote: From now on, your spells tap the Shadow Weave instead of the Weave. You can also activate magic items that use the Shadow Weave without taking damage. Add a +2 bonus to the DC for all saving throws of spells you cast from the schools of Enchantment, Illusion, and Necromancy, and spells with the darkness descriptor. You get a +4 bonus on caster level checks to overcome spell resistance for these schools and spells.
The Shadow Weave proves less than optimal for effects involving energy or matter. Your effective caster level for spells you cast from the schools of Evocation or Transmutation (except spells with the darkness descriptor) is reduced by four. The reduced caster level affects the spell's range, duration, damage, and any other level-dependent variables the spell might have, including dispel checks against you. The DC's for spells from the negatively affected schools are reduced by two but the casterlevel decrease does not affect the DC of these spells just as the casterlevel increase from other schools does not boost the DC
= +2 DC and +4 bonus on spell resistance check for the three schools
= -2 DC and -4 CL for the two other schools
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= +2 DC and +4 CL for the three schools
= +4 DC and +8 CL for spells with the darkness descriptor
= -2 DC and -4 CL for the two other schools

II. Darkness
The only spell with darkness descriptor we have is Darkness.
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As you see its not working. The darkness spell should get +8 CL (shadow magic) and + 1-3 CL (shadow power).

III. Darkness descriptor spells
Since both spells are custom made and darkness priests conjure always the maximum number of creatures we could argue that conjure shadows and call shadowpack should be considered darkness descriptor spells. This would help getting them not dispelled in an instant.

IV. Shadow walk of the Shadow Adept class
The spell requires a search check to be made, but the class doesnt get the search skill.

This makes it an rather useless feat. Perhaps change the whole spell to be based on concentration or lore: planes?

I remember a while ago this topic has caused a discussion within our guild but the Lady of the Night made me loss that memory.
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1. "+4 bonus on caster level checks to overcome spell resistance for these schools and spells." and "+4 bonus on spell resistance check" mean the exact same thing.

2. Bizarre, did you cast the darkness spell through your spell book ?

3. They are considered darkness descriptor spells, here is a list of all the spells and abilities with darkness descriptor :

darkness
Shadow shield
shades summ shadow
shades cone cold
shades fireball
shades stoneskin
shades wall of fire
shadow conj darkness
shadow conj invis
shadow conj mage armr
shadow conj mag miss
grtr shdw conj smmn shadow
grtr shdw conj acid arrow
grtr shdw conj mrr image
grtr shdw conj shadow web
grtr shdw conj minor globe
Shadow daze
Summon Shadow
Shadow evade
darkness invocation
Beshadowed Blast
utterdark Blast
racial darkness
shades self
shades creature
shades ground
racial darkness
Shadow Spray
Deez' shadow barrier
Conjure Shadows
Conjure Shadow Pack

4. Multiclass with a class with search skill ! ASOC has it.
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Valefort wrote:1. "+4 bonus on caster level checks to overcome spell resistance for these schools and spells." and "+4 bonus on spell resistance check" mean the exact same thing.
The difference is +4 on casterlevel includes spell duration and other effects based on CL while +4 to overcome spell resistance means the same as spell penetration.
Valefort wrote:2. Bizarre, did you cast the darkness spell through your spell book ?
Yes, I placed the sorcererous version into the hotbar then cast it.
Valefort wrote:3. They are considered darkness descriptor spells, here is a list of all the spells and abilities with darkness descriptor :

darkness
Shadow shield
shades summ shadow
shades cone cold
shades fireball
shades stoneskin
shades wall of fire
shadow conj darkness
shadow conj invis
shadow conj mage armr
shadow conj mag miss
grtr shdw conj smmn shadow
grtr shdw conj acid arrow
grtr shdw conj mrr image
grtr shdw conj shadow web
grtr shdw conj minor globe
Shadow daze
Summon Shadow
Shadow evade
darkness invocation
Beshadowed Blast
utterdark Blast
racial darkness
shades self
shades creature
shades ground
racial darkness
Shadow Spray
Deez' shadow barrier
Conjure Shadows
Conjure Shadow Pack
Can you even add a descriptor to a spell?

I cant find the category within spells.2da. Propably the creator of the shadow weave only made it work with illusion, necromancy and enchantment school spells.

Darkness is of evocation.
Conjure Shadows and Conjure Shadow Pack are both conjuration.
Valefort wrote:4. Multiclass with a class with search skill ! ASOC has it.
You want to say that any shadow adept that wants to make use of one of its abilities has to take the ASOC class? Thats an odd advice.

What about warlocks? Do they have to get ASOC aswell to make their shadow walk invocation useable?
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1. "+4 bonus on caster level checks to overcome spell resistance for these schools and spells." means exactly that and nothing more, so not affecting duration and other CL realted effects.

3. It checks if the spell being cast pertains to the list posted above actually, so thanks for pointing mistakes.

4. Uh or cross class the skill, multiple classes have search as a class skill after all.
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Darkness is the school of evocation, so it probably needs a special exemption from the -4 CL penalty for Shadow Weave magic & that particular school.
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Fixed next update.
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The level 0 cleric spell Blood Vision works like the level 8 wizard spell Mischievous Image.

:o :o :o
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