Warlock invocation dcs.

[aaron22]

And on another note going off topic for some comical relief- can someone explain in detail what kind of karate chop the monks use to deflect an Eldritch blast??

i think and would need confirmation, but i think deflect arrows only applies if you use gloves (maybe anything) that increase AB/EB.

[Valefort]

If the caster has a weapon in his hands then the RTAs can be deflected, if you fight monks or anything with deflect arrow then do it without anything in your hands (gloves included indeed I think).

[Tekill]

Oh yeah plus 10...that math seems to make more sense.
OP stated plus 15 - it threw me off.
My dc are currently 24.

10
ESL (effective spell level) +6
CHR +7
=23....not sure how I get the last +1.

So fienish power is not adding plus 1 to dcs?
So ability focus invocation is not adding plus 2 to dcs?

Sorry aaron22, I did'nt quite understand you, regarding you last post. I was making a (bad) joke about how the monks deflect arrows ability also deflects blasts. My gloves give +4 deflection AC and I either hold a shield or nothing. During my last duel with a monk he was able to deflect my blasts. Although it was half the time. I can blast once per round. The monk can deflect once per round. But my blast would only be deflected every send round for some reason.

I also brought up overcoming spell resistance as well. I was worried that warlocks blasts were not counting caster levels, the same way regular spells do in overcoming spell resistance,
I found recently while dueling, that someone with the spell resistance spell was able to block most of my blasts. He was higher level than my lock- which must have tipped the balance in getting my blasts to penetrate, so I suppose that could explain a thing or two.
If I had an assay resistance scroll, would it work with my blasts?

[Steve]

Is Warlock level and Spell Penetration Feats STILL HALVED when placed against Spell Resistance?

[Valefort]

@ Tekill, what is your caster level ? If it's something between 23 and 25 then that +1 should come from epic caster bonus (+1 at CL 23, +2 at CL 26, +3 CL 29, etc). Otherwise perhaps you have spellcasting prodigy, which modifies your effective CHA score and would give you +1 DC.

Regarding assay resistance it gives you +10 bonus to beat SR so : probably, you can also combine assay resistance and mordenkainen (which gives an SR penalty to the target even if it fails to dispel the eventual spell resistance spell).

@ Steve : doubtful, I'll look at the code when I can but if that was the case drows would be immune to warlocks and I think that would be known

[Steve]

NOTE: In reference to beating Spell Resistance with an invocation or an Eldritch Blast, there is a bug that uses one-half the Warlock's actual caster level, including any bonuses. A level 10 Warlock would have a caster level of 5 for beating Spell Resistance. The Spell Penetration feats have their bonuses cut in half as well; each adds only +1 to beat Spell Resistance instead of +2. This bug become very significant when battling creatures with racial Spell Resistance such as Drow and Deep Gnome. However, unmodified Eldritch Blasts of +10d6 damage or more skip the Spell Resistance. In addition, the Vitriolic Blast Essence innately does not have a Spell Resistance check.

[Tekill]

Well I am cl 22 with practiced invoker....so that would be 25 (my current level). So I think that the epic caster bonus would explains the extra +1.

Okay so, I have an Eldritch blast feat right now of 11D6 (plus a epic Eldritch blast feat of 2d6). According to Steve's quote that means I should be skipping SR altogether at this point- which I suppose also means I could get rid of Vitriolic blast altogether... I wish!
But unfortunately that is not what is happening. Spell resist is blocking my blasts. From what I understand the info in Steves quote was the way it was before the last fix. Now the blasts should include full CL against SR. I think....
Well, its really good to hear about Mords and Assay, anyways. I will start duel testing it out with opponents SR.
So I will need to figure out what I'm rolling versus my opponents SR...should be: cl plus d20 plus assay....hopefully.

So last question/issue (for now): I'm not too concerned with fey/fiendish power but is Ability focus Eldritch blast and Ability focus Invocation, actually bugged?

[Valefort]

I'm pretty sure Steve's quote is straight from the nwn2 wikia however the SR system is customized on BG so it might not be accurate. I can't be more precise for now until I actually read the relevant code.

[BigJ]

From the custom changes thread:

"Kaedrins Warlock SR Fix has been applied, solving the Spell Resistance Bug with warlocks"

So there should be some custom code working to fix those SR issues.

- The 10d6 blast bypassing SR is the BASE blast (No essence, shape. Just the feat taken from feat list on the char sheet and put on a quick slot. Better off with vitoric unless acid resistance)
- Spell Penetration helps with warlocks. Couple of items around with that on, if you don't want to take the feat.
- The DC calculation is the same as wizards, they just have more modifers they can add (Epic Focus, PrC class feats)
- Noxious blast is 6, but apply it to a doom and it use the higher esl, ie 8 (why doom is so popular, even least/lessers can have esl 8)
- Ability Focus (Invocations) - I *believe* this doesn't effect blast Dc's as Keardin had a separate feat for that, unless we merged them?
- Lesser / Grt Breach also reduce SR on the target for 1 minute. Useful scrolls for warlocks.

As a side note right now casting heroism onto my Meleelock added +2 to his essence DC, is that a bug?

BigJ

[Tekill]

So I tried my 11d6 base Eldritch blast (no essence shape) on the white dragon and it did not bypass spell resistance.

Was there a problem with the feat: Ability Focus (Eldritch Blast)?

[Tekill]

So I just levelled - and got to choose a new feat upon levelling. I discovered I could not even find Ability focus (Eldritch Blast) amoung the feats listed. Ability Focus (invocation) was there, but the feat Ability Focus (Eldritch Blast) was not.

Anyone shed some light?