Classes that still need some love

[aaron22]

Blackguard fix ? Easy, turn undead at 8 and dark blessing at 10.

evasion at 1, great cleave at 3?

[Valefort]

NOPE

[Kiran]

Blackguard fix ? Easy, turn undead at 8 and dark blessing at 10.

Can't we look into making it a viable class to go even higher in? Love to see some evil paladins walking the land.

As for how to improve it... think Paladin but reverse it. Though I guess for pve that would be horrible... do we even have good creatures?

[Akroma666]

What makes it so dreadfully bad? Could you link the topic in which you debate about it?

viewtopic.php?f=443&t=55019&hilit=Bear+warrior

Bearwarrior is pretty good despite the claims, you can try it out in JEGS module, it might be more defensive than what you expect though but that's how it was done.

Agree to disagree.. there's a reason why they still don't have a server population and everyone who plays one quits. They need epic level help and damage progression as stated in my PMs and threads. I believe the damage should scale on level and/or class progression so they aren't so powerful mid game and more powerful end game.

[aaron22]

could i get a copy of your test build for the bear warrior vale?

[Valefort]

http://nwn2db.com/build/?111541

I just made a bunch of tests with it, it powned wormthrax (10 hp lost) and the frost giant king (was mid hp), without consumables.

[Steve]

Blackguard fix ? Easy, turn undead at 8 and dark blessing at 10.

Oh dear...Valefort the Good is at it again. Dude, with Paladin soooooo gooooood at a 4 lvl dip, don't be taking away the balanced Evil! Lol.

[Valefort]

I'm obviously joking there (but I don't joke when I think blackguard doesn't need anything).

[aaron22]

I'm obviously joking there (but I don't joke when I think blackguard doesn't need anything).

maybeeee evasion at 10 and great cleave at 8?

no? whirlwind attack at 6?

[Steve]

Ha! Must be that...special...French humor I've heard so much about!!

[Akroma666]

http://nwn2db.com/build/?111541

I just made a bunch of tests with it, it powned wormthrax (10 hp lost) and the frost giant king (was mid hp), without consumables.

Very similar build as myself, mines a bit more min-max, still hits like a girl considering you have an "oh shit" button and are a worse fighter outside of rage.

Edit: actually, i have a thought.. could you somehow make it if you had a 2H weapon equipped you get more bonus damage since you won't have the shield AC? That has to be a good compromise right? Lose 4 AC, gain +2d6 damage? Glove bonus element damage still transfers over in bear form, but you get an innate +2d6 slashing damage if you have a 2H weapon instead of a shield.

[Egg Shen]

I would love to see one or more of the high BAB classes/prestige classes that really push you hard into a dex-based character get uncanny dodge fairly early in their progression. Classes like:
Swashbuckler, Invisible Blade, Tempest, and/or Dervish. I don't believe these classes are particularly weak, but making a non-stealthing dex based melee build that doesn't have Uncanny Dodge seems like a really bad idea. Might open up a few new avenues for people to take.

[Rask]

Blackguard fix ? Easy, turn undead at 8 and dark blessing at 10.

I guess if you want nobody to ever take the class ever again, lmao.

[Tsidkenu]

Order of the Bow Initiate's 10th level capstone feat, Extended Sharpshooting, still needs repair and without it functioning correctly there is simply no point taking the class at all.

I'd jump back onto this class in a jiffy if it ever was fixed.

[SBlack]

MAA fwiw