Epic Spell Resistance
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Re: Epic Spell Resistance
67 like dzidek indicated I think, either way that's enough.
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Re: Epic Spell Resistance
67 ws if the feat was changed... without the change it would be 57... iirc
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Re: Epic Spell Resistance
Oh right 
Well anyway with 57 SR the wizard still needs to lower your SR before trying anything funky otherwise he's toasted.

Well anyway with 57 SR the wizard still needs to lower your SR before trying anything funky otherwise he's toasted.
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Re: Epic Spell Resistance
Yes but with so much dedication to SR you are gimping other aspects of the character. Ofc is good that you cant get all things on one character. Either high SR or better AC or more DMG. You need to choose. Basing on a pure monk at least. Or some drow/deep gnome with 13 monk levels as you need diamond soul to tke the epic feat.
Maximum 57 SR vs 1d20 + 42 CL (with assay) + 10 for mords + 6 epic spell penetration
57 vs 1d20+58
The caster will always win if he can manage to throw mords and use assay on you.
Assay can be wanded or quickened, Mords can be Scarred or Runned. So wizards can cast those 2 really fast. Depends on the player skill really.
Without those two its: 57 vs 1d20 + 32 CL + 6 epic spell penetration
So the caster has 5% chance to beat that SR. So in theory he doesnt. Using one of the spells gives him 50% chance. So a gamble really.
If the caster didnt take spell penetration feats or has only 30 CL he has no chance without those spells.
Monks have adamanatine fists. Will close the gap quickly. The caster would need to have really high AC with mirrors and displacement up to avoid the monk.
Idk how it works vs mobs. Do they use assay? i know some use mords and breaches that lower SR. But i guess vs caster mobs it would be very usefull.
Maximum 57 SR vs 1d20 + 42 CL (with assay) + 10 for mords + 6 epic spell penetration
57 vs 1d20+58
The caster will always win if he can manage to throw mords and use assay on you.
Assay can be wanded or quickened, Mords can be Scarred or Runned. So wizards can cast those 2 really fast. Depends on the player skill really.
Without those two its: 57 vs 1d20 + 32 CL + 6 epic spell penetration
So the caster has 5% chance to beat that SR. So in theory he doesnt. Using one of the spells gives him 50% chance. So a gamble really.
If the caster didnt take spell penetration feats or has only 30 CL he has no chance without those spells.
Monks have adamanatine fists. Will close the gap quickly. The caster would need to have really high AC with mirrors and displacement up to avoid the monk.
Idk how it works vs mobs. Do they use assay? i know some use mords and breaches that lower SR. But i guess vs caster mobs it would be very usefull.
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Re: Epic Spell Resistance
Monks chew up caster mobs quicker than five year olds chew through fairy bread. PvE casters are a joke versus high level monks. This is a discussion for PvP only.
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So you say more SR from epic feats is useless in PvM?
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Re: Epic Spell Resistance
Absolutely. I've leveled 2 monks to 30 on this server and they both destroyed PvE casters. Divine and Arcane. The AI sees you, does something silly like summon or buff, you're on them before they finish the first spell, sometimes quick enough to disrupt it. Queue stuns and they're dead. Or just bash for two rounds. The AI for divines will realise they're in trouble and start to heal (wrong move AI!) and then they die. The AI for arcanes will likely cast a stoneskin next (wrong move AI!) and then they die. Mind you, I leveled before Ki Step was a thing too, so it's even easier now ====> See mage, ki step next to him (breaking spell lock in the process), queue stuns, punch, loot corpse.
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I thought KI STEP is disabled???
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Right it was KI Blast... and Barrage... 

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Re: Epic Spell Resistance
Being a Wizard slayer requires either immense patience to catch them before they are warded or the use of a wand of least mantle and/or HiPS to avoid their spell barrage.
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Re: Epic Spell Resistance
Having played many monks, I agree with AC81 in general. They are ridiculously superior against PvM casters. The caveat is that monks are instant attack builds, while casters have to be buffed in order to defend against a Monk.
If buffed and prepared, the simple combo of Stonebody and Shadow Simulacrum will disable a Monk. don't believe me? Take your monk to the norther region shadow cave and go against the Boss Ogre Mage there. It goes ethereal or concealed, casts Shadow Simulacrum, and that SS will just use your Monk's skills against itself. Wicked. Its only if your Monk gets in a landed and failed Save on Stunning Fist, that you'll prevail.
Dizzy is also right in that focusing on the ultimate SR Monk will gimp it in so many ways, you'll be a one-trick pony and still, unless you get the drop on your opponent in PvP, you can still lose.
Once again, no matter the Build or power, it is like 99% who gets the drop on the opponent, that wins PvP. So practice those Key configurations kids!!!
If buffed and prepared, the simple combo of Stonebody and Shadow Simulacrum will disable a Monk. don't believe me? Take your monk to the norther region shadow cave and go against the Boss Ogre Mage there. It goes ethereal or concealed, casts Shadow Simulacrum, and that SS will just use your Monk's skills against itself. Wicked. Its only if your Monk gets in a landed and failed Save on Stunning Fist, that you'll prevail.
Dizzy is also right in that focusing on the ultimate SR Monk will gimp it in so many ways, you'll be a one-trick pony and still, unless you get the drop on your opponent in PvP, you can still lose.
Once again, no matter the Build or power, it is like 99% who gets the drop on the opponent, that wins PvP. So practice those Key configurations kids!!!
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Re: Epic Spell Resistance
Yeah, agree with most of what I'm reading above. And iirc, epic spells bypass SR (as do many other spells). You could devote the whole of your character's life to being resistant to magic, only to watch them get one-shotted by a Vampiric Feast in their first encounter with an epic mage. LOL. Additionally, if the wizard wishes not to engage, he just goes ethereal and teleports away, right?
Improving SR would just give the more aggressive, pvp minded wizards a little something to worry about. It certainly wouldn't create a new powerbuild, regardless of whether we're discussing pvm or pvp. I imagine most people still wouldn't bother with it at all...but it would make a build idea a possibility for me and it would likely only take 2 seconds to "fix."
However, I did notice in the nwn2 wiki that there is supposedly a +20 cap. I don't know if that's because you can only take the feat a max of 10 times, or if it's an actual hard-coded cap regardless of how many times you take the feat. Might not be as easy a fix as I imagine...
Improving SR would just give the more aggressive, pvp minded wizards a little something to worry about. It certainly wouldn't create a new powerbuild, regardless of whether we're discussing pvm or pvp. I imagine most people still wouldn't bother with it at all...but it would make a build idea a possibility for me and it would likely only take 2 seconds to "fix."

However, I did notice in the nwn2 wiki that there is supposedly a +20 cap. I don't know if that's because you can only take the feat a max of 10 times, or if it's an actual hard-coded cap regardless of how many times you take the feat. Might not be as easy a fix as I imagine...
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Re: Epic Spell Resistance
Epic spells do not bypass SR on BG
Also the change is not easy, you can't alter the feats, I would have to create a whole new set of feats and link them to a script giving the adequate SR, it's not a 5 minutes thing.

Also the change is not easy, you can't alter the feats, I would have to create a whole new set of feats and link them to a script giving the adequate SR, it's not a 5 minutes thing.
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Re: Epic Spell Resistance
Ahh, bummer. I assumed you would change a 2 to a 4. lol. Probably not worth the time as I'm the only one clamoring for this, and I have plenty of other character/build concepts floating around in my skull.