Possible to make Invis Blade bleeding wound = sneak attack?

[Blackman D]

If though Bleeding is essentially 6 x 4 individual dmg applications, then 7 DR will negate Bleeding entirely and thus a SA dice option is actually more beneficial, on BGTSCC.

My guesstimate is that IB providing SA dice instead of Bleeding would only really be beneficial if one had a build with other SA dice.

i have a 15 rogue 10 SD 5 IB, not arguing the bleed is completely negated by 6+ DR

just sayin DR is only one issue and crit immunity is the other with sneaks in general

if you are only worried about DR then sure more SA dice would help get thru it, however against crit immune those extra SA dice are still cut in half if you have epic precision where the bleed is not, so against crit immune the bleed is better

against something with DR and crit immunity you are just screwed i guess, but thats typical enough already

[Egg Shen]

It's probably not a balance concern, which PRC does it not work for?

Hehe, right. About that. It's a funny story, really. I sort of just assumed it didn't work. Doesn't seem like the sort of thing vanilla NwN2 would have considered, and I'd never heard it mentioned around here that it was 'fixed' to qualify for prestige classes. Maybe it does work? Can anybody confirm?

As for the build I was considering, it doesn't matter anyway. I forgot IB needs 8 ranks bluff, so that (in conjunction with the 3b20 rule) screws things up.

[Blackman D]

well IB usually its built with INT synergy classes for the AC if its something other than rogue, so IB and assassin is usually the combo its taken with but assassin of course requires nothing really

IB itself has a lot of prereqs so its not mixed with a lot if it is taken, mine in particular with SD has 6 feats as prereqs on top of the high skill requirements

[Egg Shen]

Well, assuming it does work, I might put together a goofy swash 5, IB 5, wiz 10, DSM 10.

As somebody noted elsewhere, having DSM get improved two weapon fighting at level 10 is skirting dangerously close to being worthless, but other than that bit of frustration, it could be interesting to play. BAB 22 which I like, but caster level is only 23. Even stripped of buffs, though, this crafty Gish shouldn’t be a sitting duck.

Haven’t even considered the rest of the feats/skills, but it should be playable.

[Sun Wukong]

Well, assuming it does work, I might put together a goofy swash 5, IB 5, wiz 10, DSM 10.

As somebody noted elsewhere, having DSM get improved two weapon fighting at level 10 is skirting dangerously close to being worthless, but other than that bit of frustration, it could be interesting to play. BAB 22 which I like, but caster level is only 23. Even stripped of buffs, though, this crafty Gish shouldn’t be a sitting duck.

Haven’t even considered the rest of the feats/skills, but it should be playable.

I put this together for you: http://nwn2db.com/build/?282372

You play it as a melee character with few buffs.

[Egg Shen]

Yup, pretty much what I was thinking. I might try to slip the invisible needle reserve feat in there somewhere for enemies I'm otherwise having trouble damaging. Seems like it could be fun.

[Sun Wukong]

Blindfight might be the only feat that you can actually drop for a reserve feat. Also, I think Gullykin village might be selling daggers with 1d6 electrical damage.

So...
1d4 (Dagger)
+ 5 (Greater Magic Weapon)
+ 1d6 (Electric)
+ 5 (Combat Insight)
+ 5 (Insightful Strike)
= 21~ Avarage damage per hit on mainhand. You could have stacking bleeding damage from flanking and that +3d6 sneak attack dice, which does greatly increase your damage output, but critical hit immunity and DR is still your bane.

Now, Invisible Needle on a wizard deals 9d4 damage, 22.5 on avarage. Acidic Splatter reserve feat deals 7d6, with Greater Shadow Conjuration, and that is 24.5 damage on avarage.

Anyhow, summons should help you flank things in solo-play, etc.



But yeah, I just wish the bleeding damage was not absorbed by DR. :/

[Egg Shen]

Given that at higher levels my spells are susceptible to getting dispelled, is Extend Spell a must? This character is going to need to learn how to play without being buffed to the nines all the time, yeah? It is super convenient, though. . .

Blindfight isn't something I'm usually willing to skip, thus I'm looking for other options.

Also, on your damage calc for the reserve feats, it sounds like others have confirmed that DSM double-dagger cast works on them, so we'd get some additional damage that way. I could grab enough umd for wands so I can use flame weapon as well. Honestly, I don't think the reserve feats sound particularly powerful, but they do sound like a fun bit of flexibility to me that will at least highlight some of DSM's unique abilities.

What's the highest level sonic spell wizards get? Since I'm gonna be up close and personal a lot, perhaps the sonic damage reserve feat would be good since it has a decent effect vs. casters (being deaf makes it hard to cast your spells).

[Sun Wukong]

I suppose you could live without Extend Spell, but it will mean shorter spell durations and less flexibility with your spell book management.

Clap of Thunder - 8d6 - with Greater Shout - a level 8 spell for Wizards/Sorcerers. I have No idea what its DC will be.

So, you could drop Extend Spell and take Practised Spell Caster instead of it. This lets you have Deadly Defense (extra 1d4 damage) and Blindfight feats earlier. Thus you can grap your chosen reserve feat at level 18.

[Sun Wukong]

Oh, about this build.... You might want to get these spells on level up:

Anthilar's Bane, level 9

Inhundyl's Primer, level 6

Power Word Blind, level 7

Power Word Kill, level 9

Power Word Petrify, level 8

Power Word Stun, level 8


You have no DCs, and your spells are easily dispellable, so Power Word spells might be an interesting option to go for.

Also, do not forget that you can lower the opponent's spell resistance with Assay Resistance, and the breach spells along with Mords.

[Egg Shen]

Curses!

Is Practiced Caster really not supposed to be on the wizard bonus feat list? Also, nwn2db has the reserve feats as wizard bonus feats, but we do not. Is that on purpose?

Seems like I might have to take extend spell after all... boring.

And I gave up divination, so for this build I shant be able to play around with the power words. I figure if I can whittle somebody down to the point where the power words will work, then I can just keep whittling a little longer.

[Sun Wukong]

You could drop Deadly Defense, it will lower your damage with 1d4. (I did not even consider it in the above damage calculation.)

[Egg Shen]

Hmmm. Yeah. I’m pretty fond of deadly defense, but it’s definitely not a slam dunk in this build. I mean, the damage is important, but I won’t end up with an AB that is so high that Keeping Combat Expertise up at all times is a given.

Done and Done.