Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Mallore wrote:So take evasion away from all these plate wearing melee guys...

yet let the Hips Mages keep it.. along with there full CL's


score one for balance? come on...

On one hand, HiPS mages are overrated: my own wizard, for instance, is far superior to any HiPS mage you can ever come up with. This applies to all pure casters with high DC and CL over 30.

On the other, the only way to take Evasion away from a HiPS Wizard is to take the feat away from Shadowdancer, or move it up the levels. Both options seem lackluster, tbh.

HiPs wizards are awful lackluster in PvE. Becoming an SD costs a lot of feats, a lot of ability points. Assassin costs Cl.

Being HiPS wizard eats your DCs, your spell focus feats, other PrCs.

HiPS wizards rock PvP due to the fact that HiPS, no matter the detection of the opponent, will ALWAYS break target lock. That's it.

Does the above matter in PvE? Nope. PvP? It can give you the adventage if you know how to use it. Sneaking around won't matter much in PvP, especially as a wizard as you can survive getting whacked on if you're warded. If you're not, HiPS and quicken a bigby at the target and buff up in front of them just to mock them.

Do we want to balance for PvP?


As for avoiding being slapped with "BUT WHY YOU PLAY HIPS WIZARD THEN?! BIAS!!!!"

1. HiPSing is a hell lot of fun. Works perfectly with characters than lean towards Erevan Ilestre for pranks and being a general annoyance to dwarves.
2. Mechanically, HiPS is what allows me to land attacks at higher levels without Tenser's. Invoker, you can now manually dispel Tenser's on the fly without repercussions. This is only true because I'm using a Strength-based weapon on a high dex character who uses intelligence for auto attack damage, resulting in a low AB.
3. Sneaking around is fun.
4. Character learned it ICly to impress a she-elf.

Hoihe wrote:Do we want to balance for PvP?

No, we don't....Not possible in D&D anyway, without it no longer becoming D&D.

I hope Aelcar will see this HIPS wizard rant and comes here to teach you all a lesson

BTW. i am for evasion only in light armor