Coming Soon: Discussion Thread (2017)

[Akroma666]

Good to see some love for these lesser used abilities.

[Steve]

And it opens up Tumble for Paladins, keeping their 30 CL in the process! And Skill points as well.

For a Paladin/Cavalier, it's superb!

[VillageGreenWitch]

Tempted to roll a Paladin 6 / Cavalier 19 / HS 5.

Tumble, Bluff ("Me? Paladin? Neva!" *rolls bluff -> loses Paladin powers -> has not lied -> doesn't need to roll bluff at all -> regains Paladin powers* ), 7 Favoured enemies, CL 30 Heroism . . .


Way more serious, though:
Aren't Harpers about preserving the balance of the world?
How do Paladins fit in there?

[Akroma666]

With that skill requirement list why isn't the last ability greater heroism? I assume is a one time use ability.. shouldn't it be better than that?

Also, any DM restrictions on this class?

[Steve]

Tempted to roll a Paladin 6 / Cavalier 19 / HS 5.

Yep, who wouldn't be? It's a great and powerful combo, to be sure!

[Kiran]

Looks insanely good for a ranger as said above, without a loss since you get heroism at 30 caster level.

Should there not be a downside to this at all?

[Akroma666]

Dear lord?! This class is useable?!

Incoming rogue/cleric Gish chaos.. those FVS just got crazier.

[Valefort]

Well it costs a big number of skill points and two useless feats, also has medium BAB and low fort save progression. Doesn't have Animal companion progression.

[mrm3ntalist]

And two epic feats. Build it. Personally i will stick to my ranger30 and use Heroism potions/elixirs.

[Akroma666]

Thanks to BMD who made all the blueprints for the following summons :

Hellfire Warlock's summons
Blackguard's summons
Animate Dead
Dead Walk
Palemaster's summons
Shadowdancer's summon
Conjure army of death
Create Undead
Create Greater Undead
Negative Plane Avatar

So if there is a problem with any of those, please report !

What's the overhaul? Any details on how they change?

[Kiran]

Good point

Do you HAVE to be a harper to have it?

[Valefort]

Frankly no, try them and comment !

[mrm3ntalist]

Good point

Do you HAVE to be a harper to have it?

Its open for all. The skill point requirement cost is 44 btw

[Calodan]

Tempted to roll a Paladin 6 / Cavalier 19 / HS 5.

Tumble, Bluff ("Me? Paladin? Neva!" *rolls bluff -> loses Paladin powers -> has not lied -> doesn't need to roll bluff at all -> regains Paladin powers* ), 7 Favoured enemies, CL 30 Heroism . . .


Way more serious, though:
Aren't Harpers about preserving the balance of the world?
How do Paladins fit in there?

What little I read about the Harpers it is possible...but rare. There was a time I was wanting to be a Harper but that did not work out. Sadly. I did not make the cut. Maybe with a different PC some day!

[Akroma666]

Frankly no, try them and comment !

Says next update.. is this live?