Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Servin wrote:ETA: For the record. Out of all my character bio's for submission (three in total) none got ever approved. And on the other hand I hear I'm doing great RP. Application class? Or DM friends only?

Neither. There are dozens of characters who write up bios at any given time, and DMs already have a large workload. Just because they haven't gotten to you yet, doesn't mean that favoritism is involved. I have a couple characters whose bios have never been reviewed. Frankly, the team works pretty hard to not play favorites, IMO.

What does that have to do with anything, anyways? It seems pretty off-topic to me.

Darksider_war wrote: because it's getting full of warlocks whose rp has the same credibility of the Gargamel you are using as your avatar. SADLY.

And here I'm going to go back to square 1 and ask that you change the word 'warlock' with any other class name and you will get a similar result. And no, not addressing the lore issue solely, but the RP in general.

ETA: Kill them or hand them over to the guards. IC problems = IC solutions. Must be a warlock boom week - it happens when dark forces grow stronger.

Neither. There are dozens of characters who write up bios at any given time, and DMs already have a large workload. Just because they haven't gotten to you yet, doesn't mean that favoritism is involved. I have a couple characters whose bios have never been reviewed. Frankly, the team works pretty hard to not play favorites, IMO.

What does that have to do with anything, anyways? It seems pretty off-topic to me.

Well there are suggestions made to make it an application class, so you will need to have your application reviewed. If the DM's are already stretched thin, I doubt to ever see them finding time to execute Void's idea on pacts...

ETA: Kill them or hand them over to the guards. IC problems = IC solutions. Must be a warlock boom week - it happens when dark forces grow stronger.

already tried more than once, it didn't work.

And here I'm going to go back to square 1 and ask that you change the word 'warlock' with any other class name and you will get a similar result

perhaps, but I am not seeing many clerics/wizards/rogues/fighters/whatever that are so nonchalantly ignoring the ramifications of their actions NOR the nature of their classes as the latest warlocks are doing.

Servin wrote:

Neither. There are dozens of characters who write up bios at any given time, and DMs already have a large workload. Just because they haven't gotten to you yet, doesn't mean that favoritism is involved. I have a couple characters whose bios have never been reviewed. Frankly, the team works pretty hard to not play favorites, IMO.

What does that have to do with anything, anyways? It seems pretty off-topic to me.

Well there are suggestions made to make it an application class, so you will need to have your application reviewed. If the DM's are already stretched thin, I doubt to ever see them finding time to execute Void's idea on pacts...

Ah, I see. Okay, valid point.

Charraj wrote:

Servin wrote:

Neither. There are dozens of characters who write up bios at any given time, and DMs already have a large workload. Just because they haven't gotten to you yet, doesn't mean that favoritism is involved. I have a couple characters whose bios have never been reviewed. Frankly, the team works pretty hard to not play favorites, IMO.

What does that have to do with anything, anyways? It seems pretty off-topic to me.

Well there are suggestions made to make it an application class, so you will need to have your application reviewed. If the DM's are already stretched thin, I doubt to ever see them finding time to execute Void's idea on pacts...

Ah, I see. Okay, valid point.

as much as I'd like seeing warlocks an app only class, I have to agree on this.

Darksider_war wrote:

ETA: Kill them or hand them over to the guards. IC problems = IC solutions. Must be a warlock boom week - it happens when dark forces grow stronger.

already tried more than once, it didn't work.

And here I'm going to go back to square 1 and ask that you change the word 'warlock' with any other class name and you will get a similar result

perhaps, but I am not seeing many clerics/wizards/rogues/fighters/whatever that are so nonchalantly ignoring the ramifications of their actions NOR the nature of their classes as the latest warlocks are doing.

Yeah but what I'm trying to say is that the lack of lore of those players doesn't come from the class they've chosen. You may not be seeing:

many clerics/wizards/rogues/fighters/whatever that are so nonchalantly ignoring the ramifications of their actions NOR the nature of their classes as the latest warlocks are doing.

But if you deleted all the warlock characters on the server and locked the class, you would start seeing it in the above. Because those players would require a character to play (provided they wouldn't leave the server at that point, but for the sake of this discussion, we assume they won't). Lore within players is learnt in general with a bit of specialties. Good RP'ers will study who they play before they get engaged in it. Poor won't. No matter the class they choose, the good ones will remain good, and poor ones will remain poor. And you will see that RPing with some will still remain a struggle, despite them being fighters now.

What I'm trying to say here, is that there is a bigger picture than a class behind your struggles.

That's a pretty sad and unmoving picture of the players you have there ! People do learn a lot too, hopefully.

Granted some never learn but that's a very very small minority in my opinion.

Valefort wrote:That's a pretty sad and unmoving picture of the players you have there ! People do learn a lot too, hopefully.

Granted some never learn but that's a very very small minority in my opinion.

It's that "hopefully" that makes me shiver.

Maybe if we changed the name from Warlock to Lorelock they would have more interest in the lore than PVP.

I'm joking of course but I've yet to meet a warlock who has any issues freely casting their abilities right in front of the FAI guards, I have however as a counter point met many more clerics/wizards etc who have really considered how they use their spells, how they talk about their deities. I've met many fighter/warrior types who marvel at the use of magic. I'm not saying their aren't any great warlock RP-ers on the server, I wouldn't make that assumption, there are however quite a few who just have the dips, or who play it purely, who seem to think everyone should just love them and accept them regardless of the lore, or that they have some innate right to grief people who clearly don't want to fight or grind and that doesn't sit well with me. Granted the last comment of the line above applies more to player mentality and isn't just limited to warlocks, it is where I've most commonly experienced it.

Servin wrote: But if you deleted all the warlock characters on the server and locked the class, you would start seeing it in the above. Because those players would require a character to play (provided they wouldn't leave the server at that point, but for the sake of this discussion, we assume they won't). Lore within players is learnt in general with a bit of specialties. Good RP'ers will study who they play before they get engaged in it. Poor won't. No matter the class they choose, the good ones will remain good, and poor ones will remain poor. And you will see that RPing with some will still remain a struggle, despite them being fighters now.

What I'm trying to say here, is that there is a bigger picture than a class behind your struggles.

Fighters require almost no lore to RP. You make a fighter anyway you want, you give him whatever gear/feats you want based on his/her made up quirks and go. Same goes for a lot of vanilla classes like a plain sorc/wiz/rogue/barbarian/etc. A lot of the time, prestige classes you pick are in-line with your character concept. Also, a lot of the time, the multiclassing gets ridiculous and functions solely for mechanics, lore be damned. While it's common for most classes, it's more obvious for classes that require lots of lore like warlock/pally/cleric/druid.

So long as the servers difficulty is geared towards making it a challenge for powerbuilds, lore will take a second seat to picking classes for mechanics. This is not saying the server is wrong for doing this . It's just a fact that people will choose an idea, make a powerbuild, then try to RP around it.

How does Warlock fit around that? It's a waste to make it an application class. There are tons of IG solutions, just few pretty ones for the warlocks in question.

The easiest solution is to just walk away from role-play that you find annoying.

And (one of) the long term solution(s) would be to shift some events to chatter only, or at least chatter introduction, before fighting starts. Encourage role-play is the way to go.

stevebarracuda wrote:The easiest solution is to just walk away from role-play that you find annoying.

That's what I do now, but it's a pretty OOC thing to do. I'm gonna try RPing it out, it's how I learned from others when I first started out on the server. If I just get loads of OOC complaints as a result of trying to stay IC, then maybe I'll go back to ignoring things.

I find role-playing an exit from a baaaaaaaad situation about the easiest thing there is to do.

"Fare thee well." Exit stage left.

One has to remember this is a game, and that EVERYTHING we do here is a construct, as well as deeply metagaming-sourced decision making. Otherwise known as Pretending. If you make a build sheet on NWN2db.com, you're metagaming. You pretend to not know your PCs future, but you really do. Actually, you're grinding for it, probably daily.

So, "pretending" you have reason for your Morninglord to walk away form a Necro-Warlock-Gray Orc-Stormlord and his Vampire chicken-goblin makes perfect sense.

We are all PRETENDING all the time. Just don't pretend you have to pretend to give anyone any amount of your positive energy when their just "ruining" your pretending for you.

Just walk away.

The server was full today. I'm sure you can find at least 5–10 players you actually enjoy role-playing with. Hopefully, they'll also be on tomorrow, and the day after that...

Well hey, that's fine too. I'm just saying what I'm gonna try to do, at least for now.