Coming Soon: Discussion Thread (2021)

[c2k]

Agreed that UMD should never be allowed. Imagine if Weapon masters did not have to dip rogue for UMD.

[Rain]

Hmm...

This sounds interesting.

[Rhifox]

Some local testing has shown that Obsidian did not, in fact, finish coding these feats. Which means this might take more time to implement, if it is possible at all. I'm going to see if it's possible to code our own solution. Sorry for the false alarm.

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[yyj]

I would support these feats but would be against adding UMD, tumble, hide, ms, etc.

[Planehopper]

Tumble is explicitly called out as not available above, and honestly I'd lean toward sticking with the more roleplay skills without some exceptions. Spellcraft, UMD, and Tumble are all maybe too good.

But, for now, it's all theory until its coded.

[Rhifox]

Crisis averted, Matelener noticed another area that needed to be changed to get the feats to work. This is back on schedule for next patch.

[Louvaine]

This sounds amazing!

[Rhifox]

Note: These have been renamed from 'Cosmopolitan' to 'Extra Skill', as this better identifies what they are.

[Whirlwind]

Hm... Just so I'm understanding properly, one takes a cosmopolitan feat to unlock a skill they don't normally have access to.

For instance a barbarian takes a feat to 'unlock' craft alchemy.

I'm guessing this is so it negates investing double the amount of ranks in a skill to raise it by 1?

Why not just take able learner instead?

I'm guessing the advantage will be... Full progression for a skill a singular cosmopolitan feat unlocks?

[Rhifox]

I'm guessing the advantage will be... Full progression for a skill a singular cosmopolitan feat unlocks?

Correct.

[Whirlwind]

Any other advantages to taking one of these?

More choices are always good but I still can't help but think that taking able learner is a better option.

Not to pick fault with this or such, just curious.

[Planehopper]

Able learner is ok of you only ever want to be half-skilled in something.

This is more to open the door to characters that want to be fully skilled in something they otherwise could not be.

Say you wanted to make a diplomatic fighter, or a sorcerer skilled in survival.

It really is only intended to open up RP angles for builds that may otherwise force a dip into a irrelevant class or pro. More options.

[Rhifox]

In some cases, Able Learner will be better. In others, one of these might be. It depends on what the player needs.

[DaloLorn]

I could also see it being a fairly effective building tool. For instance, if you could take Extra Skill: Hide and Extra Skill: Move Silently, non-sneaks could take Assassin levels a lot sooner than usual at the cost of a few feats.

(I get that you can't actually do that right now, but that's not my point.)

[Kitunenotsume]

I like the idea of these feats, because it opens the possibility to doing things like giving Commoner (or an Expert class) a feat selection of Cosmopolitan variety, rather than having a standard skill list. Thereby achieving the previously discussed custom skill blocks.

I don't really see them as power-feats, and they probably arn't when compared to Able-Learner unless your build needs exactly one cross-class skill (In which case it can potentially save you 3 multiclass levels).

I like options. Options are good. +1 appreciate from me.