Surfacers and UD quests issue.

[Broham2]

I can't speak for current staff, but Half-Drow were KOS in administrations prior to my becoming a DM, during my time as a DM, and for at least some good while afterward.

I would assume that they still are KOS, though with the rules unclear (funny that was never noticed before) a current DM ruling would be best.

To note, back then (and I guess I still understood it as) all UD races were KOS on the surface if found out. That is able to kill on sight. Obviously drow would usually be a 'run or kill' type situation for most characters, but I would imagine fewer would be as violent toward a deep gnome or Imaskari, for example. The option is always there though.

[Passiflora]

They were KOS during my time as well. I don't think it changed.

[DM Narshe]

UD-only races are KOS on surface. This does include deep gnomes and imaskari.

When you pick a race that can choose either surface or UD, Mystra makes you choose one or the other before you ever put feet on dirt. You then become this faction as far as the quests are concerned.

Playing a race that can pick either side is not permission to do both sets of quests. One or the other. It is not a mechanical benefit to be exploited. It is not a weekly exp paycheck to be doubledipped. DMs do watch this kind of thing and we have a really fun way of finding out which side you belong to. It usually involves a trip to Myrkul.

http://www.bgtscc.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=21624

You can be on the other side, but have some roleplay reason to be there (not just an excuse to grind or PvP)
Can't grind on the other side
Can't run quests on the other side
UDers auto-consent to PvP on the surface, surfacers auto-consent to PvP in the UD outside of Sshamath

At the end of the day, it's about fairness.

[Nomster]

Thank you DM Narshe but that should really be clarified in the rules, as currently is says that only drow and tannurrak are KOS - which is different from what you are saying here. So the below excerpt should include half-drow, deep gnomes and imaskari (but not grey orcs and tieflings).

- Drow and Tannurrak races on the surface are KOS. All Surface races in the UD, outside of the city of Sshamath or Varalla's Passage area, are KOS.

[Storm Munin]

Genasi belongs both worlds too

[Eclypticon]

So, I am going to make this clear. Tieflings, Grey Orcs, and Gensai can only pick one area to do their quests as per ruling. You commit to UD or Surface. Although these races have more acceptance in both worlds, for fairness, it is not allowed to double quest. This is the message that I am hearing. It seems we are very divided in our opinion of this subject, but a ruling is a ruling unless we what to debate changing some of this.

[AlwaysSummer Day]

Remember that if your character was a Genasi from the UD they speak Undercommon not common and thus cannot even open a dialogue ICly to accept a quest on the surface. If your character knows common and is from the UD then at some point they made a choice not to stay on the surface, and if they did they sure wouldn't waste their time helping poor Jaspen find Radger. If they know common and have never been on the surface then their common would most likely be broken and hard to understand. Finally most quest givers would not speak to a masked person anyways (a feature I miss).

*applies to surfacers in the UD as well

[Maximvs]

I don't believe that Deep Gnomes are KOS on the surface. Should only be Duergar, Drow and Tanarukk.

Many surfacers might not even be able to tell a Svirfneblin from a Rock Gnome, realistically.
Deep Gnomes may be suspected of working with the KOS races, but they aren't lore wise an evil race.

Personally I would KOS them, considering I get KOS by most paladins cuz they I'm a warlock and they got 2 points of spellcraft. Many do not know of the svirf's and think them to be evil like all the other black underdark versions of dwarves and elves.

[Styxwash]

Personally I would KOS them, considering I get KOS by most paladins cuz they I'm a warlock and they got 2 points of spellcraft. Many do not know of the svirf's and think them to be evil like all the other black underdark versions of dwarves and elves.

Actually most "people" in Faerun have no idea they even exist and likely couldn't tell the difference.

In order to easily identify one, your char should have visited the UD or at the very least have high lore skill.