Shadowing, disguises, etc

[ohboy007]

As for pvp on a person in stealth, you must be pretty darn sure they are following you and not just hidden. So if a spy was following you down a lonely road, make a few random turns and if they keep up with your movements, whoopi! You found yourself a spy. I like making them think I don't see them and then wham! Bigby 6! They are stuck in place and I continue my merry way laughing IC. Aint that right Old Mage in the Sea Cave?

PS: If you spy, be ready for a @#@$whooping. Spying is more dangerous than any blade or spell wielded. And I mean spy, not randomly in stealth and heading in a determined place, or stealthed and AFK.

[Hoihe]

As for pvp on a person in stealth, you must be pretty darn sure they are following you and not just hidden. So if a spy was following you down a lonely road, make a few random turns and if they keep up with your movements, whoopi! You found yourself a spy. I like making them think I don't see them and then wham! Bigby 6! They are stuck in place and I continue my merry way laughing IC. Aint that right Old Mage in the Sea Cave?

PS: If you spy, be ready for a @#@$whooping. Spying is more dangerous than any blade or spell wielded. And I mean spy, not randomly in stealth and heading in a determined place, or stealthed and AFK.

This, because I tend to travel in stealth on Hoihe 90% of the time because that way I avoid the spawns and other nasty things. [I don't like wearing armour and fully buffing up.. so, stealth's a nice and clean way to get to places unharmed!]. Getting randomly blown off the road would suck

[ohboy007]

As for pvp on a person in stealth, you must be pretty darn sure they are following you and not just hidden. So if a spy was following you down a lonely road, make a few random turns and if they keep up with your movements, whoopi! You found yourself a spy. I like making them think I don't see them and then wham! Bigby 6! They are stuck in place and I continue my merry way laughing IC. Aint that right Old Mage in the Sea Cave?

PS: If you spy, be ready for a @#@$whooping. Spying is more dangerous than any blade or spell wielded. And I mean spy, not randomly in stealth and heading in a determined place, or stealthed and AFK.

This, because I tend to travel in stealth on Hoihe 90% of the time because that way I avoid the spawns and other nasty things. [I don't like wearing armour and fully buffing up.. so, stealth's a nice and clean way to get to places unharmed!]. Getting randomly blown off the road would suck

Makes sense as I do it too. If I see a stealth person I don't automatically think they are snooping me. I do things and watch how they react unless they come into an area where it is obvious that they are tailing you. You better be sure its a true spy/snooper instead of a random Hoihe walking down the road to get to his destination because otherwise the DM's will make your ears bleed.

[Aelcar]

If I see a stealth person I don't automatically think they are snooping me. I do things and watch how they react unless they come into an area where it is obvious that they are tailing you.

Absolutely, +1!

[ohboy007]

I completly agree with Deathgrowl. I really don't understand why you would want people to plan in advance who they want to spy on. For me it has always been a spur of the moment sort fo thing. Sure there are some I've been following for ages but sometimes I just happen to come across an interesting group and decide to follow them. Plus a chaotic person just dosen't follow plans!

Agreed, Sure I followed her, but she wasn't even the target. She led me to another, who led me to who I was really looking for, which produced a job offer for me. Best spy stuff happens spontaniously.

[Azure]

Regarding stealthed characters with drawn weapons, its important to keep in mind that most stealthers need weapons with hide/ms bonuses equipped to mechanically take advantage of those stealth bonuses. Just because they have weapons drawn it shouldn't be assumed that they're intending to use them. For example I once spotted a sneak behind me with blades out and I chose to RP looking at his drawn weapons and giving him a moment to sheath them instead of lighting him up without an pvp out. Remember, a sneak needs consent to stab you in the back(much to my chagrin) so sometimes it doesnt hurt to be courteous and offer up some RP instead of hitting the pwn button.

[ohboy007]

Regarding stealthed characters with drawn weapons, its important to keep in mind that most stealthers need weapons with hide/ms bonuses equipped to mechanically take advantage of those stealth bonuses. Just because they have weapons drawn it shouldn't be assumed that they're intending to use them. For example I once spotted a sneak behind me with blades out and I chose to RP looking at his drawn weapons and giving him a moment to sheath them instead of lighting him up without an pvp out. Remember, a sneak needs consent to stab you in the back(much to my chagrin) so sometimes it doesnt hurt to be courteous and offer up some RP instead of hitting the pwn button.

I hear you, I use two daggers myself. But I don't expect anyone to assume that i won't use them. It is still an IC action as you must have them in hand to gain use of their properties. If you don't want people to think you will bury two daggers into their backsides, don't stealth with them. It's a trade off.

In that case you used it's kind of iffy and Id need more context. In that one case, you found out he wasn't a sneak so you did your job with due vigilance. I suppose it depends on how long he was standing behind you and what that character was doing. If someone is stealthed behind me with two daggers, I consider that pretty darn worthy of a crack down. If its at the FAI where many people gather, I probably would confront them to see what their intentions are before popping off the PWN button because I want to make darn sure its a spy and not just some random guy just chilling out of sight.

If I'm in the middle of the druid grove, and someone stealths up right behind me and just sits there with weapons out for awhile and not moving on or resting, i get much more suspicious than the FAI example. Even in that case, I can't be sure enough to risk it, remember if you are wrong you are so screwed , so i might try to move toward another empty part of the map and see if the sneak follows. If he/she does, well its time to pwn.

The act of spying is pretty much like taking a knife and stabbing someone in the back anyway. A spy can learn valuable info that can get you killed if used right. To me, the act of spying is a premptive attack so i really dont feel sorry for sneaks who get caught. "Live by the shadows, die by the shadows." Spying is no innocent act as I'm sure you are aware of. If I get spotted i'm fully prepared to face the consequences and even have counter measures planned ahead to fight or flight.

[Deathgrowl]

Regarding stealthed characters with drawn weapons, its important to keep in mind that most stealthers need weapons with hide/ms bonuses equipped to mechanically take advantage of those stealth bonuses. Just because they have weapons drawn it shouldn't be assumed that they're intending to use them. For example I once spotted a sneak behind me with blades out and I chose to RP looking at his drawn weapons and giving him a moment to sheath them instead of lighting him up without an pvp out. Remember, a sneak needs consent to stab you in the back(much to my chagrin) so sometimes it doesnt hurt to be courteous and offer up some RP instead of hitting the pwn button.

While almost agree with this, I have to say that when I see people having weapons out, I'm going to RP my character being very suspicious of them. They better have a proper IC explanation for why they had their weapons out. Not just "Oh, no these? I just, you know, like to hold them, is all! Yeah!". That's not going to be convincing, and I'm going to think they had intended to stab me but realized that I saw them and prevented their plan.

That said, I do play a sneak myself and I can relate to the "problem". We're talking 3 hide/ms on both weapons, usually, and that's pretty significant. I try to sneak mostly without them out, though, unless I am in areas where I would carry a weapon as a non-sneak anyways (like areas with mobs...).