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Re: Elemental Archer builds

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:23 am
by mrm3ntalist
For ranged weapons and unarmed you only need 4 levels of fighter.

I would have done the same thing with Storm Munin's recommendation for this particular build
Storm Munin wrote:Dumping greater dex +3 for hymn should really improve the song power of the build as well.
Get a dex +3 item for dex 30, loosing 1 AC and 1 AB wont change much, Hymn will due to the regeneration when things are that close.

Re: Elemental Archer builds

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:28 am
by mrm3ntalist
Valefort wrote:Regarding the build I question the presence of curse song, you really don't want them to be that close in my opinion.. but if you want dissonant chord it's a requirement.
Valefort makes a good point about curse song. I think it can be useful for when you are sourounded, which you will be since you have no hips. The curse song can help a lot then. There is no right or wrong about taking the curse song in this build. Unfortunately you wil lhave to try it and see if it for yourself how useful for your playstyle it is or not. I magine it would be, mostly because of no hips.

Re: Elemental Archer builds

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:34 am
by TheKai
I took everyones recommendations, thanks you.

Removed One Shot, moved the last two levels of EA to the end to pick up Hymn. Have both Song and Hymn of Requiem but mostly towards the end. Personally more satisfying to me with song power so thank you again :) Picked up Weapon Mastery and moved it up a few levels but I did keep Practiced Spellcaster for spell length.

http://nwn2db.com/build/?193385

Should be interesting to play :)

Re: Elemental Archer builds

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:09 am
by Theodore01
not sure if you qualify for Hymn of Requiem:
Dissonant chord levels do not stack with bard levels for determining which songs a bard has access to.

Re: Elemental Archer builds

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:27 am
by odyssey
http://nwn2db.com/build/?173833 or ranger 9 (for evasion and bones feat)/assassin 9 (for deatch attack)/ EA 5/ AA 7

Re: Elemental Archer builds

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:50 pm
by TheKai
Theodore01 wrote:not sure if you qualify for Hymn of Requiem:
Dissonant chord levels do not stack with bard levels for determining which songs a bard has access to.
Argh...you're right thanks. Hymn has a level requirement, not a songs per day requirement. Thanks for pointing that out.

And thank you Odyssey for that build.

Re: Elemental Archer builds

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 6:51 pm
by odyssey
if you do not like often push different buttons (modes) then do just make the most of slaughter character (like the ones that I suggested) believe is a good options. Super Build nobody will tell. What I have suggested, it will be for PvE very well. And do not listen to the advice of those who do not have multiple characters 30 This is just level the theorists are often niche......

Re: Elemental Archer builds

Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:29 pm
by TheKai
odyssey wrote:if you do not like often push different buttons (modes)

:lol: You're so correct Odyssey, which is why I am an awful caster player :oops:

Re: Elemental Archer builds

Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:57 am
by odyssey
:P :P :P

Re: Elemental Archer builds

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:21 am
by Darker_Thought
Is Power Criticall (Weapon) good for anything when it comes to Archers using Longbows? ...

Re: Elemental Archer builds

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2016 10:32 am
by mrm3ntalist
Darker_Thought wrote:Is Power Criticall (Weapon) good for anything when it comes to Archers using Longbows? ...
Power critical isnt good for anyone... There are more important feats to take on any build

Re: Elemental Archer builds

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:54 pm
by Synthnine
I was hoping a non hips archer would be viable, instead of playing the same as everyone's archer toon.

Re: Elemental Archer builds

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2016 9:54 pm
by joleda
Synthnine wrote:I was hoping a non hips archer would be viable, instead of playing the same as everyone's archer toon.
I know that slings a'int sexy, but a non-hips archer might work with a sling and shield. Dwarven Defender and Breach Gnome add defensive capability that might work in the combo. A Halfling Fighter/Rogue with epic dodge and Fighter specializations might also work.

Re: Elemental Archer builds

Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 3:34 am
by Thorsson
Synthnine wrote:I was hoping a non hips archer would be viable, instead of playing the same as everyone's archer toon.
Bard Crossbow Snipers work. Enough AB for MS and you have Mirror Image, Improved Invisibility, etc for defence, plus Curse Song and Hymn of Requiem. Normal split is Bard26/Fighter4, but there are other possibilities.

The problem with Slingers without Assassin is that you still need the high AB for Manyshot, but your damage comes from Strength. I can't see that working very well with Dwarven Defender (or Rogue for that matter, you have no way to reliably land sneak attacks). Warsling Sniper seems a good pick to me, due to 2 additional AB, free Improved Critical, plus Ricochet for multiple enemies. maybe something like F12/AK9/WS6/MaA3 (MaA gets you Tumble skill as well as +1 to Shield).

Re: Elemental Archer builds

Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2016 10:31 am
by Synthnine
Tsidkenu wrote:I've considered bard 7/OOBI 10/ AA 9/EA 4

Unfortunately you can't build this on that website due to the lack of oobi as a prestige class on there.
This seems like a fun build, not underpowered like ranger 15/OOBI 10/ 5 EA which is my current one. You get mirror image, heroism and displacement, so lots of AB and some defense for soloing. I thought the warsling sniper PRC seemed a bit underpowered havn't seen anyone play with a sling, but would be intereting to test out.