Combat Manuever: Cloak Fighting

[metaquad4]

I'm not sure about the mechanics of Escape Artist, I'm not sure any indepth information has been released on the skill (if it has, please link it. It'd be a good read.).

However, seeing as escape artist (according to its flavor text) impacts spells such as entangle and vine mine, I imagine it would be the same.

[Aspect of Sorrow]

Escape Artist Wikia for BGTSCC

Looking forward to a full formula proposal.

[metaquad4]

That isn't really any information to speak of. Its simply a re-hash of the IG flavor text. I'm looking for an already released formula on how it currently works and impacts the spells it says it impacts.

[Theodore01]

That isn't really any information to speak of. Its simply a re-hash of the IG flavor text. I'm looking for an already released formula on how it currently works and impacts the spells it says it impacts.

Or if it does anything at all.

[Aspect of Sorrow]

One moment, gathering it up in it's mechanical terms.

[DM Hera]

Interesting, though you're fighting with what amounts to cloth versus sharp stabby bits designed to tear through thicker material.

Does anyone remember watching the Dinsney Pixar Movie "The Incredibles" They had such a great rant as to why you do not wear capes. Feel that applies to cloaks too.

=)

[metaquad4]

Interesting, though you're fighting with what amounts to cloth versus sharp stabby bits designed to tear through thicker material.

Does anyone remember watching the Dinsney Pixar Movie "The Incredibles" They had such a great rant as to why you do not wear capes. Feel that applies to cloaks too.

=)

Gnomish Aircraft. Gets you everytime!

[Ambaryerno]

Please suggest the use of escape artist skill to this as well, how it fits in the formula.

I'd say however Escape Artist works with this however it does for the spells mentioned, so rather than avoiding the Entangle, it allows them to work their way out of it.

Anyway, maybe something like this:

Reflex Save DC = 10 + 1/2 Attacker BAB + Deflection AC Bonus of Cloak + Feat-Specific Properties on Cloak (IE "Cloak of Entanglement" providing a +X bonus to Cloak Fighting DC)

When failing the Reflex save, the target suffers a -2 to AB and AC for a number of rounds equal to 1/2 the attacker's character level. If the target fails the save by more than 10, or suffers a critical failure, they are Entangled. Each round, the Entangled party must make another Reflex save in an attempt to break out. If they fail the Reflex save after being Entangled, they may also attempt to break out once per round using Escape Artist, following the same rules as spells.

All feats, spells, and equipment that protect against Entanglement also apply.

[Aspect of Sorrow]

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#38 Escape Artist , #53 Entangle, NW_S0_ENTANGLE

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Target Escape Roll = 4 + Skill Rank, fails if less than the DC

[Hoihe]

Interesting, though you're fighting with what amounts to cloth versus sharp stabby bits designed to tear through thicker material.

Does anyone remember watching the Dinsney Pixar Movie "The Incredibles" They had such a great rant as to why you do not wear capes. Feel that applies to cloaks too.

=)

Cloaks had great utility up until the invention of rain coats,or when people started carrying umbrellas.

A cloak keeps you warm, keeps the wind out. Keeps you from getting wet. It hides your weapons.

It is a thick fabric, easily as thick as a coat.

Shields are clunky and single-purposed. Bucklers are awesome for 1v1, but can be pretty loud to carry and conspicious.

You have a thick cloak you'd carry everywhere as a traveller. Having some combat experience, trying in a futile way to cut the thick winter coats of people and failing as the blade ends up getting bundled and bunched up in the fabric as it tears through it, coming to a full stop, you decide to move that thick winter coat to your arm and reduce the change of penetrate while still ensnaring the enemy blade.

[DM Hera]

Would this not entangle both people?

Your attached to the cloak to. Infact dangerously so, its like being tied together, but yours end is around your neck. By game rules this would be Grappling, you would need a str test vs the opponent or this goes bad for you.


Why cant a guy with 30 str just tear your cloak from your body, and your head off for that matter? Or better yet, pull you in and pummel you to death? We all have seen the movies where a guy throws a chain around a bad dude, but the bad dude is so big he pulls the hero in and makes him into pizza.

What happens if you throw your cloak on a person with some sort of flaming ward around them, did you just destroy your cloak? In case of a magic cloak, whats the chances the item now explodes around your neck.

Blade Barrier, shouldn't that just shred the cloak?

I can go on with lists of what if's and thoughts. In my view Anime Science does not belong in Dungeons and Dragons, and where this has been depicted in other media the world lacks magics, super men, and never benefited the hero for but a brief second and rarely resulted in direct victory, more a get away.

[Aspect of Sorrow]

If elemental damage exists of any form, and the cloak had no protection against it, it would be damaged or destroyed.

[Hoihe]

Would this not entangle both people?

Your attached to the cloak to. Infact dangerously so, its like being tied together, but yours end is around your neck. By game rules this would be Grappling, you would need a str test vs the opponent or this goes bad for you.


Why cant a guy with 30 str just tear your cloak from your body, and your head off for that matter? Or better yet, pull you in and pummel you to death? We all have seen the movies where a guy throws a chain around a bad dude, but the bad dude is so big he pulls the hero in and makes him into pizza.

What happens if you throw your cloak on a person with some sort of flaming ward around them, did you just destroy your cloak? In case of a magic cloak, whats the chances the item now explodes around your neck.

Blade Barrier, shouldn't that just shred the cloak?

I can go on with lists of what if's and thoughts. In my view Anime Science does not belong in Dungeons and Dragons, and where this has been depicted in other media the world lacks magics, super men, and never benefited the hero for but a brief second and rarely resulted in direct victory, more a get away.

Hera,

http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Category:Sword_and_Cloak


Watch these before being dismissive. I'm providing historical manuals which describe cloak fighting.


Edit: here's an easily digestable set of notes:
http://hroarr.com/brief-notes-on-using- ... he-rapier/

Example of being used:

[Aspect of Sorrow]

Watch these before being dismissive. I'm providing historical manuals which describe cloak fighting.

1) We are obeying the rules present in the annals of fantasy, rather than a medieval fighting simulator.

What happens if you throw your cloak on a person with some sort of flaming ward around them, did you just destroy your cloak? In case of a magic cloak, whats the chances the item now explodes around your neck.

That's a valid question that you dismissed?

[DM Hera]

If elemental damage exists of any form, and the cloak had no protection against it, it would be damaged or destroyed.

Blade Barrier is whirling blades.. deals damage on hit. Would shred the cloak to.

By the rules, items have HP too... for advance sundering stuff.