All things Sembian Fencing!

[Valefort]

Yes.

[Steve]

Just to clarify the wording on the wiki for Sembian Fencing:

DEX AB & EB from items do not stack with Sembian Fencing.

The above quote is confusing.

Does the DEX bonus not stack with DEX bonses from items? Thus, with the lose of 4 apr gaining + 4 DEX, if you already are equipping a DEX +4 item, the Sembian Fencing bonus is not applied?

If you have a Weapon with +4 AB/EB, and you turn on Sembian Fencing with a 26 BAB build, losing 4 apr for a +8 bonus to AB, is the build only actually gaining +4 AB to attacks?

I would like to clear up the descriptions, as such:

• - DEX bonus from Sembian Fencing does not stack with DEX bonus from Items.
  - AB bonus from Sembian Fencing does not stack with AB/EB from Weapons (a +4 AB/EB weapon will cancel out 4 pts of the +8 AB bonus gained on a 26 BAB build)

[Valefort]

Not sure why I wrote that part about AB and EB

It's only about DEX bonus given by Sembian fencing, it doesn't stack with DEX bonus from item/spells.

[Steve]

Yeah, why did you write that?!? lol.

Okay, so for facts sake (!!), with a 26 BAB build, losing 4 apr with Sembian Fencing active, the build gains +8 to AB...no matter what, yes?

Also...where did the "reduce to 2 apr" part come from? Is it better balanced to have YUGE AB over more attacks? Or would it be more balance to be "reduced to 3 apr" and have a max + 6 to AB???

Whaddyathink?

[Valefort]

26 BAB build activating Sembian fencing will gain 8 AB, +2 damage, +4 DEX, +8 AB. As for the 2 apr you should ask Rasael, I don't have an opinion there.

[Sun Wukong]

26 BAB build activating Sembian fencing will gain 8 AB, +2 damage, +4 DEX, +8 AB. As for the 2 apr you should ask Rasael, I don't have an opinion there.

I could only speculate... But this does remind me from some drunk irc chats again...


Alright, lets imagine a medium BAB character that goes against AC that is designed to provided a chalenge for that F/FB/WM/Ro or that FS/BG powerbuild. We could assume that both of these builds and our medium BAB character have something like +10 from their main attack stat. Thus before feats and spells are even considered, there is already something like 8~ points of AB difference. Thus our medium BAB character's highest attack is already 40% less likely to hit than the highest attack from the power builds. This was a big issue since there were areas where you literally could not sneak around even with the best sneak equipment available, the area modifiers were just brutal in that way.

So how about a feat that gives a large amounts of AB at the expense of number of attacks. Instead of hoping for 5% chance 10 times a round or something, you could get two attacks in with a much larger probability. Perhaps it could also grant some extra damage per hit to overcome DR.

Oh, and give reason for people to invest in the Parry skill too. Two-three attacks per round can be parried succesfully.

[Rasael]

What's the question?

[Steve]

What's the question?

Why was Sembian Fencing a "reduction to 2 APR" with +2 AB per apr loss, instead of say reduction to 3 apr or 2/3 or whatever?

I think getting +8 AB from a 26 BAB build is good, but I wonder if, there is no Lore-base to this decision, if a reduction to 3 apr / +6 AB from a 26 BAB build would service the Feat better...and maybe lure more Players into using it?

Essentially, 2 attacks per round is tough to justify, imho.

[Rasael]

There is no lore base to it.
Its what came out of the QC discussions back when I proposed the combat feats and styles.