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Re: Classes that still need some love
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:52 am
by Akroma666
Bear warrior, see my giant thread about suggestions and the other about bugs
Re: Classes that still need some love
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:00 am
by Hrafnar
Wilderness Stalker
Level 8 - HiPS outdoor areas only
At the moment there doesn't seem to be anything a WS can do that a ranger/rogue multi can't do better. This would address the balance some.
Level 2 - Uncanny Dodge
Level 6 - Imp Uncanny Dodge
Same reason as above.
Class Skill - Set Trap
This seems like a given to me. I know there's Hunter as some sort of Ranger kit but I'm not sure if it's working or not. That being the case, trapping could be part of the WS' arsenal. Perhaps even add some special traps as a class feature?
Level 1 - Stealthy and/or Alertness
Level 4 - Great Fortitude
Just some extra fluff really.
Re: Classes that still need some love
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:18 am
by aaron22
Akroma666 wrote:Bear warrior, see my giant thread about suggestions and the other about bugs
Bear Warrior will make you quit the game... not RcR.. quit
Re: Classes that still need some love
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:42 pm
by Hrafnar
I gave the Wilderness Stalker another look as I would really like to play this class at some point (Stalker was my favourite ranger kit in BGII
). It seems it was designed as a PrC for the somewhat OP (imho) Scout base class which has not made it into BGtSCC.
That being the case, could it be reimagined as a ranger focused PrC? Replace the Tracking feat requirement with Stealthy, throw in Uncanny dodge so you only have to take rogue to 3 (and make the sneak attacks stack!), and gain ranger spells as if you had gained a level in your base class? Oh and HiPS
.
Re: Classes that still need some love
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:51 pm
by chad878262
Well at one time there was going to be a hunter base class that never got implemented, but the wilderness stalker is not the same as the stalker kit from bg2 (for that try ranger 22/assassin 8). Wilderness stalker is a prc that allows some ranger abilities without being a ranger (camouflage FTW). Also, pretty sure sneak attacks from WS attack with SAs from any other class/prc...If they don't currently stack it's possibly a bug.
Re: Classes that still need some love
Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:02 pm
by Hrafnar
chad878262 wrote:Well at one time there was going to be a hunter base class that never got implemented, but the wilderness stalker is not the same as the stalker kit from bg2 (for that try ranger 22/assassin 8). Wilderness stalker is a prc that allows some ranger abilities without being a ranger (camouflage FTW). Also, pretty sure sneak attacks from WS attack with SAs from any other class/prc...If they don't currently stack it's possibly a bug.
Fair enough but I still think it could use some work. Unless you just absolutely don't want to be a ranger I can't see why ranger/rogue multi wouldn't be better in every case. You get camo and swift tracker sooner I guess, but that's about it.
Re: Classes that still need some love
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 9:08 am
by Vogar Eol
Why was Hierophant listed as a maybe? That's a pretty good class to enable divine multiclasses.
Re: Classes that still need some love
Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:16 pm
by Akroma666
aaron22 wrote:Akroma666 wrote:Bear warrior, see my giant thread about suggestions and the other about bugs
Bear Warrior will make you quit the game... not RcR.. quit
Haven't logged on in over 5 months!
Re: Classes that still need some love
Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:14 pm
by AlwaysSummer Day
Maybe give divine seeker spell progression?
Re: Classes that still need some love
Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 8:49 pm
by Nachti
allowing sorcerers to switch spells in epic levels would be awesome.
But i dont know if thats possible. Is it?
Re: Classes that still need some love
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 4:42 am
by K'yon Oblodra
Hey there,
once upon a time I actually talked to Luna to implement the bear warrior and was very happy to see it had been implemented once I returned.
What makes it so dreadfully bad? Could you link the topic in which you debate about it?
The second thing, will the hunter class be implemented at all and if when will it be, I'd really like to play it.
Akroma666 wrote:aaron22 wrote:Akroma666 wrote:Bear warrior, see my giant thread about suggestions and the other about bugs
Bear Warrior will make you quit the game... not RcR.. quit
Haven't logged on in over 5 months!
Re: Classes that still need some love
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:54 am
by Kiran
Blackguard.
Fix.
Re: Classes that still need some love
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:32 pm
by aaron22
Kiran wrote:Blackguard.
Fix.
make it an archetype and give it progression to 30. YES!!!!
Re: Classes that still need some love
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:38 pm
by aaron22
K'yon Oblodra wrote:Hey there,
once upon a time I actually talked to Luna to implement the bear warrior and was very happy to see it had been implemented once I returned.
What makes it so dreadfully bad? Could you link the topic in which you debate about it?
viewtopic.php?f=443&t=55019
it just does no damage. its like bringing twigs (not even knives or sticks) to a gun fight.
Re: Classes that still need some love
Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:38 pm
by Valefort
Bearwarrior is pretty good despite the claims, you can try it out in JEGS module, it might be more defensive than what you expect though but that's how it was done.
Hunter is one of Rasael's projects, he's the one to speak to if you want updates.
Blackguard fix ? Easy, turn undead at 8 and dark blessing at 10.