Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Calodan wrote:

chad878262 wrote:4 feats, you could get both, which essentially could give +6 ac when needed or +6 damage (12 with no shield). The AC is only 1 less than divine shield and the damage when two handing 2 less than divine might and usage is not capped. Would actually be more versatile worth similar AC/Damage potential. The thing you get from the divine might/ shield route is the ability to use both, but only a few times per rest.

Right that is a good point. It would be versatile. I do not PvP so the feats are perfect for PvE and PvM.

Okay I am listening on that. Now to curb my PBer. So I get this when I need it but not both when fighting a boss like I would with DS and DM also DM is not just that it gives +14 Damage since I will take EDM. Which is nice for bosses. 14 more damage and 7 AC for just about as long as I need to fight a boss.....However I could build for DS and DM and negate trying to get the EDM that would allow for Epic DR instead since I do not have to get to 21 STR and CHA instead could build to get 17 CHA and then pump STR and CON instead. Get Epic DR and have DS + DM when needed......

metaquad4 wrote:Another build suggestion:

Fighter 12/Thayan Knight 5/Rogue 3/Dragon Warrior 10

Could pick up 21 CON and however else much STR. Dragon Warrior's breath recently got a buff, it'll do an average of 100 damage on a save and 200 damage if they don't save. And the benefits the class gives are quite nice as well. You can also pick up epic DR, if you can fit it. And, of course, expose weakness is always useful.

If you wanted to go the CHA route, you could go:

Fighter 16/Divine Champion 6/Thayan Knight 5/Blackguard 3 (Or cleric 3, if you wish to optimize. Water domain for expose, and you can also pick up divine shield)

This would would net high saves, and divine champion's buff is pretty good for an EDM fighter.

On either character, you probably will also have enough bonus feats to take some of the charge and/or shield feats. If EDM applies to shields, then that may be very useful for the second build. It should apply, but, I have never tested it.

Shield Charge can be quite useful, as you add on +4 (the equivalent of +8 STR) to your knockdown attempt if you have improved knockdown and +4 if you have powerful charge. If you can fit it in, dire charge is generally what makes the damage viable, but shield charge with powerful charge and improved knockdown is very effective it seems, for disabling.

Calodan wrote:

Steve wrote:Full plate is 8/1, so with +4 AC = 12 (you list 13).

What is "DS +7?"

9+4=13. Let us do it barney style. 9 + 1 = 10, 10+1=11, 11+1=12...still got one left....12+1=13. Not like a +3 DEX item to get the +1 for DEX bonus on the FP is hard either.

This class can only be granted by a DM as it is a guild class.

Thayan Knight
While the Red Wizards are not opposed to blasting their opponents with deadly spells or shredding the minds of their enemies with dark magic, there are times when they need protectors who have mastered the art of swordplay. These protectors are the Thayan Knights, familiar with magic and loyal to none but the tattooed mages. The Thayan Knights act as bodyguards and enforcers for the Red Wizards and as an extension of their reach. They lead common Thayan troops into battle and help guard the wizard enclaves. Although they are referred to as knights, they have no code of conduct, and the only rule that binds them is that their lives are worth nothing compared to the safety of the Red Wizards. Almost all Thayan knights are fighters, although monks and rangers have been known to pursue this career. Barbarians are typically too reckless to concentrate on defense, and the Red Wizards consider other individuals too weak for the duties of a Thayan knight.

Requirements:
Alignment: Any nongood.

Race: Human.

Base Attack Bonus: +6

Skills: Lore: Arcana 2 ranks, Lore: Local 2 ranks, Intimidate 2 ranks, Spellcraft 2 ranks.

Feats: Iron Will, Weapon Focus (Longsword) (This was changed to any melee weapon).

Class Features:
- Hit Die: d10

- Base Attack Bonus: High.

- High Saves: Fortitude.

- Weapon Proficiencies: Simple and Martial.

- Armor Proficiencies: Light, Medium, Heavy, and Shield (not Tower Shield).

- Skill Points: 2 + Int modifier.

- Class Skills: Craft Armor, Craft Weapon, Intimidate, Listen, Lore: Arcana, Lore: Local, Lore: Nobility and Royalty, Parry, Spellcraft, Taunt.

Class Abilities:
Level 1: Horrors of Thay, Zulkir's Favor
Level 2: Zulkir's Defender
Level 3: Bonus Feat
Level 4: Bonus Feat
Level 5: Zulkir's Champion, Epic Skill focus: Intimidate

- Horrors of Thay: Because of long exposure to the cruelty of her homeland, Thayan knights gain a +2 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects.

- Zulkir's Favor: At 1st level a knight undergoes a long and painful tattooing ritual. This magic tattoo grants the Lightning Reflexes and Skill Focus (Intimidate) feats for free. The tattoo also marks the knight as someone loyal the Red Wizards.

- Zulkir's Defender: A 2nd level Thayan Knight gains the Guarding the Lord feat. This protection acts as the shield other spell cast at the Knight’s character level. The only difference with the spell is that the target only takes 30% damage (instead of 50%), and the caster takes half the initial damage rounded down (instead of the remaining). This ability can be used three times per day.

- Bonus Feat: At 3rd and 4th level, a Thayan knight may choose any one feat (except Weapon Specializations feats) from the fighter bonus feat list.

- Zulkir's Champion: At 5th level, the knight receives a large magic tattoo across her face signifying her devotion to the Red Wizards. This tattoo grants a +1 Luck bonus on all saving throws.

What about barbarian 20/TK5/WOD5 (Or DC5). Rashemi can be barbarians, minsc style so it could work.

You can always drop expose weakness and epic prowess. I'd still recommend rogue for the +2 AC from 30 tumble (as opposed to 10), Full UMD, and Spot/Listen.

Steve wrote:

Calodan wrote:

Steve wrote:Full plate is 8/1, so with +4 AC = 12 (you list 13).

What is "DS +7?"

9+4=13. Let us do it barney style. 9 + 1 = 10, 10+1=11, 11+1=12...still got one left....12+1=13. Not like a +3 DEX item to get the +1 for DEX bonus on the FP is hard either.

Right. 51 AC without additional buffs. Your build plan on nwn2db.com says 55+ with +4 Gear...THAT is why I questioned your writing!

Add +7 Divine Shield for 7 rounds, then yes, you're up there in holy AC goodness.

But unless you're walking around with a CL 30 Wizard + a CL 30 Cleric, your magic buffs aren't reliable, for your written 60+ AC statement.

But then, considering it has 500 hp with a +3 CON item, that's gonna really help out the build.

chad878262 wrote:Update your jegs bro, lore local is PREGO (its in there)

Regarding your build, you still got divine might in there even though paladin is a stand in for TK. You also should consider tk gets two fighter bonus feats so might want to use fighter and jyst leave the feat at f1 blank.

chad878262 wrote:I built two TKs in the builder yesterday. If you have the most recent version you won't have an issue. Jyst don't forget to have the feat giver grant you the dm approval feat.

Edit: new phone... not sure why it keeps coming up jyst instead of just. Bah!