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K'yon Oblodra wrote:Think just simple visuals would do for the effect of destroying nature...
that is true. its mainly just fluff anyway. i think low level mobs would struggle with it. but players or bosses would easily get through it. which is kind of what i intended. it really acts more as a burden than any sort of help. it would constantly be trying to disrupt spells.
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***every time a Vitiation bonus is used there is a 1% chance that the Vitiator will cast "Revenge of the Land" on himself. It will act as the 5th level Druid spell of the same name and the Caster level for the spell will be 10+Vitiator level+1d10***
to put a bit of fear on needless spell spamming while defiling. this will make a vitiator consider only using the class skill when it is most needed. without spoil the land going, the class becomes very pedestrian as it only gives the character a couple pretty mundane features over the entire 10 levels for the amount of reqs needed to get the class. and still puts them at great risk from druids.
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aaron22 wrote:added
***every time a Vitiation bonus is used there is a 1% chance that the Vitiator will cast "Revenge of the Land" on himself. It will act as the 5th level Druid spell of the same name and the Caster level for the spell will be 10+Vitiator level+1d10***


Don't like that at all. Things with a 1% chance usually just cause frustration because they are statistically supposed to not happen at all... Well almost.
Imagine the Vitiator getting into a fight with a druid or a group and then this happens... He'd surely hate it and for a good reason.
Would strongly advise against it.

Also still think the spoil the land should be purely visuals.
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K'yon Oblodra wrote:
aaron22 wrote:added
***every time a Vitiation bonus is used there is a 1% chance that the Vitiator will cast "Revenge of the Land" on himself. It will act as the 5th level Druid spell of the same name and the Caster level for the spell will be 10+Vitiator level+1d10***


Don't like that at all. Things with a 1% chance usually just cause frustration because they are statistically supposed to not happen at all... Well almost.
Imagine the Vitiator getting into a fight with a druid or a group and then this happens... He'd surely hate it and for a good reason.
Would strongly advise against it.

Also still think the spoil the land should be purely visuals.
nothing has to be exactly as it is written. it could be open to all races and that is not terrible. the spoil the land can be visuals only, its easier to remove the spoil effects than want to add after the fact if wanted.

i also wanted to make it very sacrificial to play this class. i made a build up here to show how this can play itself out if not careful.

http://nwn2db.com/build/?266596

so if 1% hits we get this at level 25+

ST for the vitiator will be 21/22/23+4(con)+3(greater res)+6 (spellcraft?)-8(vit pt penalty)=26/27/28. if any fort save bonus items or spells going then better. and with a no fail on a 1 with steadfast.
vs.
20+1d10

chances still favor the Vitiator. hopefully it happens enough to be a solid warning to not abuse the land and not so much it makes the class useless. and even then it should take about 3 rds to kill the vitiator, so it still would be able to port out using quicken port. which is a win for the opponents due to the evil of the vitiator's abusive powers. nothing like this and it seems pretty fun.
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human version of similar build

http://nwn2db.com/build/?266603
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I don't think you can make custom spell additions, at-least not without Rasael's new spellbook (which is very clunky to use and not too user-friendly. Our current one has much better quality of life). In addition, vitate's metamagic components seem like they'd be tricky. Maybe a form of auto-metamagic when they apply?

Spell additions could probably be added in as spell-like abilities, though. Like archmage or epic spells.

Otherwise, it looks really neat. Too bad its orc only D: No Talonites of other races getting any love, I see!
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i have no idea how the meta feats would be applied because it is a translation from 2e PnP. this is a proposal to keep it as close to the 2e concept and that is what it granted as it's benefit there. how difficult that is to apply to our game is way beyond my ability. but obviously this being the backbone of it class, alternatives could be created. i think it is best for them to be different than what is currently available in other classes though. this has way too many detriments to give the same benefits as another class that doesnt carry the negatives.
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metaquad4 wrote: Otherwise, it looks really neat. Too bad its orc only D: No Talonites of other races getting any love, I see!
this in the hands of a human is too powerful. and the long living races would not do this. living a long time would make them understand too clearly to not (#2) in your drinking water. orcs and humans are the only ones that would be so foolish, greedy and lack the perspective of doing these things.
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