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Re: Tanky 2h fighter build advice
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:18 am
by Theodore01
Re: Tanky 2h fighter build advice
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:19 am
by Sun Wukong
As far as I know, it is the same as Barbarian DR, hence it stacks with Greater Resiliency and Epic Damage reduction.
Valefort wrote:Why don't you guys test ?
No way to test without doing an RCR. No 100% RCRs, so no testing.
Re: Tanky 2h fighter build advice
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:23 am
by Valefort
JEGS module ?

Champs.
Re: Tanky 2h fighter build advice
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:25 am
by Theodore01
so would a barb 20/ ds10 stack ?
and is it possible to see what wands (custom spells) are currently craftable at jegs?
Re: Tanky 2h fighter build advice
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:21 am
by Sun Wukong
I do not think it will, kind of like how +1d6 Sneak Attack weapons do not stack with levels of Rogue. Same feat, and only the higher is used. I had a Barbarian 20/Dragonslayer 6 before, and I do not think that I got more than DR of 5 from Barbarian. I am not 100% sure it has been a while... But I think it is safe to assume it doesn't stack.
Valefort wrote:JEGS module ?

Champs.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doens't.
Re: Tanky 2h fighter build advice
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:28 am
by Valefort

Test it first in JEGS regardless, I don't know why you expect people to look up things for you but I'll stop answering all those questions that you can answer by yourselves.
For wands an update is pending, I'll update the relevant wiki page when it's live, right now it is up to date except dimension door wands can be made.
Re: Tanky 2h fighter build advice
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 11:33 am
by Sun Wukong
Valefort, a long time ago there was a Public and QC JEGS, the public version used to be so out of date that stuff that worked on the server didn't work on the public version. As for the QC JEGS, well, it was for the eyes of QC members only.
Edit: And... I used to try things out, and test stuff for years and all it gave me was bans. People just didn't like hearing me say time and time again how the things they believed to work in one way, did not actually work that way, or something along those lines. So yeah, I ain't going to test a thing. Even if I knew that I could test it in less than a minute. =P
Re: Tanky 2h fighter build advice
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 12:06 pm
by Valefort
The last BG JEGS is from May 2017, it was uploaded so that people could test mechanics by themselves and in a few months time 99% of the content remained the same. So unless questions are on matters that need nwnx plugins to function or new developments that were not explained clearly there is no reason to ask. Like this DR question.
Re: Tanky 2h fighter build advice
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 3:57 pm
by Steve
Valefort wrote:The last BG JEGS is from May 2017, it was uploaded so that people could test mechanics by themselves and in a few months time 99% of the content remained the same. So unless questions are on matters that need nwnx plugins to function or new developments that were not explained clearly there is no reason to ask. Like this DR question.
Can you output an updated JEGs, Valefort, that contains all the recent added/changed content?
Re: Tanky 2h fighter build advice
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:23 pm
by Sun Wukong
Valefort wrote:The last BG JEGS is from May 2017, it was uploaded so that people could test mechanics by themselves and in a few months time 99% of the content remained the same. So unless questions are on matters that need nwnx plugins to function or new developments that were not explained clearly there is no reason to ask. Like this DR question.
Where to find this latest JEGS? No one knows.
And lets have a look at that DR question:
Anointed Knight Unbroken Flesh:
- The anointed knight uses a special concoction of magical oils to apply to her flesh at 7th-level granting permanent damage reduction of 3/-.
Dragonslayer Damage Reduction:
- At 3rd level, a dragonslayer gains damage reduction 1/-. This improves to damage reduction 2/- at 6th level, and to damage reduction 3/- at 9th level. This damage reduction only stacks with the DR granted by Greater Resiliency and the epic damage reduction feats.
Warrior of Darkness Scarred Flesh:
- Through ritual scarification, a 7th level warrior of darkness gains damage reduction 3/-. Note: Only Greater Resiliency and the Epic Damage Reduction feats stack with this DR.
As you can see, the old development products do not always have the clearest descriptions. Not to mention that ever since the game first came out, people have been asking what kind of DR stacks, and the answer to that is: if it is of the exact same type, it
might stack. This game has a lot of things to consider after all, people prefer certain type of things, and it might take years before they even look in the direction of some build possibilities that offer innate non-magical damage reduction and this is why similar questions pop up time and time again.
Re: Tanky 2h fighter build advice
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:31 pm
by Valefort
The latest JEGS is on the only stickied thread in the tips and tricks forum, it's difficult to miss it ! Just uploaded a new version.
Re: Tanky 2h fighter build advice
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 6:36 pm
by Sun Wukong
Valefort wrote:The latest JEGS is on the only stickied thread in the tips and tricks forum, it's difficult to miss it ! Just uploaded a new version.
Wrong, it it stickied on the Character Building subforum. If you go look for it on the Tips and Tricks forum, you will find nothing.
Edit: Now, yes, I do understand that there are things that can be easily found out if someone just bothers to do little testing by themselves. But to do that you have to have that single player module that allows you to build characters, and also some idea what you are trying to do. And I might be horribly mistaken, but these Tips and Tricks, and Character Building forums exist so that people can ask for help. I could even argue that the whole 'nwn2DB' exists solely to make it easier to show how a build works, or how to level up.
Thus, when you stated how you would stop answering questions to people who can find the answers themselves, I just found that response so unbearably snobbish and elitist that I decided to shove a stick up my own arse. Now, I think you do have better things to do than answer questions, and you have already done many great things for this server, but the stick in my arse still lingers. I remember you asking for help about similar things years ago - things that you could have probably figured out all on your own.
Re: Tanky 2h fighter build advice
Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2017 10:55 pm
by Tsidkenu
DR from different classes does not stack (I tested this some time ago).
Eg, Dwarven Defender DR will
not stack with Anointed Knight or Dragonslayer.
Barbarian DR will
not stack with Anointed Knight or Dragonslayer.
Barbarian DR will
not stack with Dwarven Defender, if it were even possible to multiclass the two
All four of those classes' DR stacks with Epic Damage Reduction, but it will only use the highest, single, class-granted DR if you have several of those particular classes at once.
Re: Tanky 2h fighter build advice
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:58 am
by Sun Wukong
Tsidkenu wrote:DR from different classes does not stack (I tested this some time ago).
Actually that is not entirely true. For example, if you make a Spirit Shaman 20/Warlock 3 that has all the Fey Heritage feats, you will have Cold Iron damage resistance of 11. (11/Cold Iron, 5 points from Fey Skin, 5 points from Spirit That Walks, and 1 point from Warlock 3.)
Therefore a Spirit Shaman 23/Warlock 7 with the Fey Heritage feats would have DR of 12/Cold Iron. Build wise it would better to go for something like Spirit Shaman 26/Warlock 4, perhaps spend an epic feat on Practised Invoker to get 4d6 Eldritch Blast alongisde all three Least Invocations. Pre-epic feats are pretty much entirely consumed on Fey Heritage (5), Blood Magic (6), and Practised Spellcaster (Spirit Shaman) (7), and Spellcasting Produgy (8) if you are a Human or a Strongheart Halfling.
Now, it has been literally forever, but I do not think the the Favored Soul DR stacks with the Warlock DR. Someone would have to test that out to know for sure.
Re: Tanky 2h fighter build advice
Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 4:25 am
by Valefort
Right, there's little chance I'll really stop answering all questions that can't be tested ... there's a limit to good will though and I am annoyed by the amount of questions a bunch of veteran players are asking that they can answer reliably and fast.