Summoning a planar by its true name

[Lockonnow]

I didt find one i brugth from some one but i give it away to some one that has give 5 away so let all us be happy

[adobongmanok]

Another question, can you bind the true name to multiple materials? ie. one on diamond and one on blue diamond but same name.

[dedude]

Another question, can you bind the true name to multiple materials? ie. one on diamond and one on blue diamond but same name.

Yes, but why would you want to?

[aaron22]

Another question, can you bind the true name to multiple materials? ie. one on diamond and one on blue diamond but same name.

Yes, but why would you want to?

cuz you dont have a blue yet but wanna use your fancy name.

[dedude]

But... If you can bind it with a canary diamond, there is no reason to buy a more expensive blue diamond to bind to as well...

[aaron22]

i think it is to bind "peter" to a reg diamond(that he has) and so he can have a cool LPB guy. then hold out so you can later bind "peter" to a blue and gate/epic gate spell. maybe i am way off base here, but this seems like logical thinking to me.

[dedude]

"peter" doesn't change level or anything based on the gem he is bound to. "peter" is an actual being of pre-defined level and abilities. So let's say "peter" is a level 13 angel. A diamond can hold up to level 15 beings, a canary up to level 20 beings, and a blue diamond has no limits. This means that "peter" can be bound to all three types of diamond, but he will always be the same level 13 angel named "peter". Doesn't matter that you bound "peter" to a blue diamond and called him with epic gate, you still get the same "peter".

If "bob" is a level 19 demon and you try to bind him to a normal diamond, the gem will shatter because it cannot bind such a powerful creature. "bob" would require at least a canary diamond for a succesful bind.

[Laughingman]

True naming increases their HD to

Lesser Planar Binding(5): 11 HD Outsider
Planar Binding(6): 13 HD Outsider
Greater Planar Binding(8): 17HD Outsider
Planar Ally(6): 13 HD Outsider
Planar Ally, Greater(8): 17 HD Outsider
Gate(9): 21 HD Outsider
Epic Gate: 22 HD Outsider or 26 HD Elemental
and can be only improved by taking the Epic Spellfocus Conjuration feat.

What does this mean then?

[Kalgain]

If "bob" is a level 19 demon and you try to bind him to a normal diamond, the gem will shatter because it cannot bind such a powerful creature. "bob" would require at least a canary diamond for a succesful bind.

Is there a way to know beforehand what gem to use?

If not then you could either lose a gem by shattering it or if you play it safe you waste the more expensive gem.

[aaron22]

getting learned....

[dedude]

True naming increases their HD to

Lesser Planar Binding(5): 11 HD Outsider
Planar Binding(6): 13 HD Outsider
Greater Planar Binding(8): 17HD Outsider
Planar Ally(6): 13 HD Outsider
Planar Ally, Greater(8): 17 HD Outsider
Gate(9): 21 HD Outsider
Epic Gate: 22 HD Outsider or 26 HD Elemental
and can be only improved by taking the Epic Spellfocus Conjuration feat.

What does this mean then?

Those are the default levels of beings based on the spell they are designed for. Continuing the example of "peter" the level 13 angel, he is designed with the balance level of a Planar Binding/Ally spell, and would most likely require at least a spell of that power to call him. You can use a Gate spell to call him, but he would still be level 13. So the above list is mostly a rule of thumb on how the tiers of beings are balanced.

If "bob" is a level 19 demon and you try to bind him to a normal diamond, the gem will shatter because it cannot bind such a powerful creature. "bob" would require at least a canary diamond for a succesful bind.

Is there a way to know beforehand what gem to use?

If not then you could either lose a gem by shattering it or if you play it safe you waste the more expensive gem.

Yes. When first you bind the name on the gem, a Lore: The Planes check is executed on the DC set by the being, and if you pass it you get a bit of lore knowledge on this being in a message. Additionally, if the check is passed and the gem used isn't of sufficient quality, you get another message telling you that. If the skill check is failed you get no information at all.

But! Looking up this information I spotted an error that I'm fixing right now. It means that a gem that already has a name written on it, but isn't bound to the being yet, can't have a new name written on it. Next update that will be possible, so if you learn a gem isn't strong enough you can save it for later and try with a better gem.

[adobongmanok]

Well the idea is that, in order not to waste blue diamond on a lower level planar, you would use a diamond instead of blue to check if it is low level. I feel like it's a waste using the blue diamond if the HD is 14 or something.

EDIT: Spell check

[adobongmanok]

Another question, so I did as what wiki said. I tried negotiating with the planar by calling it but when I try calling it (casting the summon spell to the gem), it's telling me "My spell reaches the planar...but you are too weak to summon it". Are there certain things I'm missing? Wiki doesn't say much aside from the basics.

[aaron22]

Another question, so I did as what wiki said. I tried negotiating with the planar by calling it but when I try calling it (casting the summon spell to the gem), it's telling me "My spell reaches the planar...but you are too weak to summon it". Are there certain things I'm missing? Wiki doesn't say much aside from the basics.

you are literally too weak. you need to find the first super strong orc you see and hand it directly to it.

[adobongmanok]

I have traveled far and wide, seeking super stronk orcs...but I always see them lying down on the floor, killed by some random adventurers. I have yet to find one!