Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Hoihe wrote:Are we ignoring the fact that dual boxing is recipe for metagaming disaster?

That's your opinion, and not a fact.

Keep both characters always together, and the "disaster" wouldn't happen.

I considered running two characters at once in the past, as a way to make the game more interesting/challenging, and to have easier time dealing with situations when there's no party available (which is 98% of times I play). A lot of time the game feels like a ghost town, because the existing players are spread all over the place. Running two or three separate personalities at once (did it with my summoners in past) is a lot o fun for both the puppeteer and people witnessing it.

Unfortunately, the only available way to do it for me is virtual machine, and controls in a VM version of neverwinter are royally borked and not playable.

I also did encounter ana amazing player on sigil in the past who managed to run two of his characters so seamlessly that I was honestly surprised when he mentioned that they're both his. It was impressive.

Anyway, I wish you guys put that energy into the game instead - playing characters rather than trying to come up with another policy or rule.

I'm done here.

Hoihe wrote:Are we ignoring the fact that dual boxing is recipe for metagaming disaster?

Thank you Hoihe for something to be discussed other than IT HURTS MY FEELS THAT SOMEONE ELSE CAN GET MORE LOOT THAN ME argument.

NeOmega wrote:

Calodan wrote:I get double treasure over you and I don't dual box.........Amount of loot in a day is dependent on you really.

Why the hate on dual boxxers? I mean really? What about what they are doing is so egregiously against your moral code that they need to be stopped? Especially during looting so much?

cool story, bro.

So....Uh.....No answer? Just a WOW and screw you? It was a legit question but it seems that your reason is stemmed completely in the PHAT LOOTZ issue and that sir or madam is a pretty crappy reason to limit others based on your feels of the situation. Give us some real conversation on it. Hoihe brought up one possibility for why it COULD be an issue.

In fact on that it was my understanding that at one point DUAL BOXXING was illegal on BG. I am guessing that went by the wayside due to wanting the DMs to actually be DMs and not stinking babysitters and server police all the time just smacking people. That shite burns them out.

NeOmega wrote:btw, the difference between dual boxing for xp and dual boxing for loot is consent is needed for PvP. its not needed for auction battles. if somebody is generating loot twice as fast as possible assomebody playing with one pc, they will have twice as much coin per hour, giving them unfair advantage n auctions, amongst other things.

OH MY GURD.......Really? I mean seriously...This stems in the same thing you said to me about gambling.....It ain't fair bruh, there will always be those who have that perceived "UNFAIR ADVANTAGE".

If you want auctioneering powah you got to assault the towah more! Not limit others to get your advantage or even the playing field.

As AC81 put it to me. DO THE WORK! Don't sit and complain about others being better. Go out and be better yourself! The best thing that ever happened to me was him telling me to suck it up buttercup and put in the time to get the perceived power I wanted!

Calodan wrote:

Hoihe wrote:Are we ignoring the fact that dual boxing is recipe for metagaming disaster?

Thank you Hoihe for something to be discussed other than IT HURTS MY FEELS THAT SOMEONE ELSE CAN GET MORE LOOT THAN ME argument.

NeOmega wrote:

Calodan wrote:I get double treasure over you and I don't dual box.........Amount of loot in a day is dependent on you really.

Why the hate on dual boxxers? I mean really? What about what they are doing is so egregiously against your moral code that they need to be stopped? Especially during looting so much?

cool story, bro.

So....Uh.....No answer? Just a WOW and screw you? It was a legit question but it seems that your reason is stemmed completely in the PHAT LOOTZ issue and that sir or madam is a pretty crappy reason to limit others based on your feels of the situation. Give us some real conversation on it. Hoihe brought up one possibility for why it COULD be an issue.

In fact on that it was my understanding that at one point DUAL BOXXING was illegal on BG. I am guessing that went by the wayside due to wanting the DMs to actually be DMs and not stinking babysitters and server police all the time just smacking people. That shite burns them out.

NeOmega wrote:btw, the difference between dual boxing for xp and dual boxing for loot is consent is needed for PvP. its not needed for auction battles. if somebody is generating loot twice as fast as possible assomebody playing with one pc, they will have twice as much coin per hour, giving them unfair advantage n auctions, amongst other things.

OH MY GURD.......Really? I mean seriously...This stems in the same thing you said to me about gambling.....It ain't fair bruh, there will always be those who have that perceived "UNFAIR ADVANTAGE".

If you want auctioneering powah you got to assault the towah more! Not limit others to get your advantage or even the playing field.

As AC81 put it to me. DO THE WORK! Don't sit and complain about others being better. Go out and be better yourself! The best thing that ever happened to me was him telling me to suck it up buttercup and put in the time to get the perceived power I wanted!

+1

First, let's keep this civil. Or the Sheriff will come in and introduce his boot to anyone's arse who causes trouble.

Second, if there is potentially a problem because a group is needed, then can we not introduce hireables?

I'm not goin' to touch the loot aspect of this, but if there is a problem with not having enough bodies (warm or digital) for a problem, then bein' able to pay one (or multiple) NPCs to guard you should, in theory, be possible. Hell, the FIST is a mercenary company, and Baldur's Gate paid the WHOLE DAMNED COMPANY to do nothing but be the town's guards. If the Dukes can pay someone to watch their backside, then why can't adventurers?

Calodan wrote:
As AC81 put it to me. DO THE WORK! Don't sit and complain about others being better. Go out and be better yourself! The best thing that ever happened to me was him telling me to suck it up buttercup and put in the time to get the perceived power I wanted!

"complain about others being better"

1. you seem to be under the impression anyone thinks you are "better". you, and your supposed 500,000 a day boss farming doesn't make me think you are any better at anything. i know it makes you think you are awesome, as evidenced by your reply in that thread. (indeed the whole thread started by you was a facile attempt at braggadaccio. you didnt have to mention you blew 500,000 at the casino, nor did you have to mention that is how much you make a day farming the balor. you could have made the suggestion without those details.)

furthermore, i was under the impression balor farming was as quick as the orc chieftan farming, which is not the case. so more power to ya, bro. you do you.

anyways, then you come into this thread, and again make the sad attempt to brag about how awesome you are. I really don't care about you, dude.

i still think your playstyle is cheese, but whatever. Whatever makes you feel "better". im not talking about you, unless you dual box for loot.

2. dual boxing for loot doesn't make someone "better". it means they are basically exploiting the chest system put in place a couple years ago where every toon gets loot from the chest.

NegInfinity wrote:
Anyway, I wish you guys put that energy into the game instead - playing characters rather than trying to come up with another policy or rule.
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if i am posting here, it is because i am at my business. i rarely post from home, because i want to play when i am home.

hth

Back to the original point, I'm not sure I hold much of an opinion toward multiclients. A buffed familiar under the caster's control while toggling between is a combat strategy and it isn't rule enforced. The gameplay behavior isn't too far off.

Aspect of Sorrow wrote:Back to the original point, I'm not sure I hold much of an opinion toward multiclients. A buffed familiar under the caster's control while toggling between is a combat strategy and it isn't rule enforced. The gameplay behavior isn't too far off.

that is why i shrugged it off too.

but familiars/summons can't loot chests and skeletons a second time.

thats when i stopped shrugging it off, and posted here.

What if in the future i plan to ask my friends to come over my house and "use 3 Computers to play together" during weekends or holidays?

I live with another player, so any system added would have to distinguish when its actually being multi boxed or i likely wouldn't be playing any more.

Wandering_Woodsman wrote:First, let's keep this civil. Or the Sheriff will come in and introduce his boot to anyone's arse who causes trouble.

Second, if there is potentially a problem because a group is needed, then can we not introduce hireables?

I'm not goin' to touch the loot aspect of this, but if there is a problem with not having enough bodies (warm or digital) for a problem, then bein' able to pay one (or multiple) NPCs to guard you should, in theory, be possible. Hell, the FIST is a mercenary company, and Baldur's Gate paid the WHOLE DAMNED COMPANY to do nothing but be the town's guards. If the Dukes can pay someone to watch their backside, then why can't adventurers?

Hireables are not going to be very useful because they will be controlled by "amazing" neverwinter AI, and not by yourself.

Sigil has system of hireables it... is not very useful with exception of golem masters (who craft very durable golems... that die for real, by the way).

If I were able to DIRECTLY control a party of 2 or 3 people from the same client, I'd definitely go for that option - that would be quite challenging and being challenging would make it amazingly interesting. However, hirable will be an equivalent of having a summon, and it is not worth it. I know what summons can do, they do not help you with situatiosn where you need a group. Besides, one can simply play a thaumaturge if they want to have a crowd.

Anyway, due my legendary bad luck when it comes to finding people to interact with and groups to join, I usually try to roll something that is self-sufficient and can survive withotu assistance.

Multiboxing approach, if it were viable for me, would allow more interesting and less optimized character options.

izzul wrote:What if in the future i plan to ask my friends to come over my house and "use 3 Computers to play together" during weekends or holidays?

You and your friends will be completely indistinguishable from a multiboxer.

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NeOmega wrote: that is why i shrugged it off too.

but familiars/summons can't loot chests and skeletons a second time.

thats when i stopped shrugging it off, and posted here.

There are clever ways to maximize loot (some of which feel like cheating) without multiboxing.

You do realize that you can simply buy 50 neverwinter licenses, roll 50 favored souls of garagos, and serial loot the same dungeon with all of them in turns? Think of all the money you're going to earn before you go crazy from grinding one week later.

There are other approaches as well.

Anyway, you're being distracted by non-issue, and "solving" this issue will not improve quality of the game in any way.

I don't understand why would you even care how much loot somebody has to begin with. There will be always people who have more money and more loot than you. ALWAYS. Doesn't matter if they multibox or not.

If you want to be like them, put work into it, like Calodan said.

Is this against the rules?

CleverUsername123 wrote:Is this against the rules?

If you're talking about multiboxing, then as far as I'm aware there are no anti-multiboxing rules on bgtscc.

NegInfinity wrote:

CleverUsername123 wrote:Is this against the rules?

If you're talking about multiboxing, then as far as I'm aware there are no anti-multiboxing rules on bgtscc.

will I get dirty looks for doing it?

CleverUsername123 wrote:

NegInfinity wrote:

CleverUsername123 wrote:Is this against the rules?

If you're talking about multiboxing, then as far as I'm aware there are no anti-multiboxing rules on bgtscc.

will I get dirty looks for doing it?

I think someone will be always giving a dirty look, regardless of what you (or anyone else) are doing in the game.

Such is life.