new way to PvP proposal (better pvp fan club idea)

[NeOmega]

As previously stated I would not like to have to look at every characters bio to see if they were going to start something. Its not even reasonable to have read it once as players can change their position on the matter. If your going to do such a thing you need to put it in your characters name using the disguise system, bad example but such as "John Doe (Hostile Bandit)" or "john Doe (PvP)" etc.

I'm happy to get involved in PvP as I pretty much play antagonistic characters. But I do feel that the way in which the game works and the systems in place do not support PvP on equal footing.

For instance; If one of my party is flagged as open to the club and another player comes along and starts something then the whole group becomes involved. In no way do I see that those other characters should stand around and watch IC or OOC. So the aggressor needs to approach the group as a whole and not try and single someone out.

Another issue I have run into is that high level characters do go to areas that are way lower CR just to get easy treasure. A couple of weeks ago my at the time level 10 character is in a CR8 area, which running solo is about right for my toon. Another player shows up who I know is about level 17 (and a grandrather/twinker so hes really well armed) from interacting with him before. That character was semi hostile towards me but as I was hidden he couldn't start anything. The only way I can think of to stop such a thing would be to make the treasure scale like the CR of the mobs do. So if you was in an area to low for you then you don't get good drops.

My next issue is that the player scry provides information but allows you to hide it. Every single drow player I have run into hides their information, just so happens that every actively seeking PvP player does as well. Which provides the player that hide information with a massive OOC advantage which I imagine is very hard to act against. Since being on the receiving end of such hidden information I now hide my level with every character I play. Since doing so my main toon has not been challenged for her actions like she was before. Don't get me wrong, I want to be challenged for my actions, but I'm not happy about someone doing so just because they can preview my character level. The OOC advantage can stay at home thanks.

So if you want to revise some of the PvP rules please consider things such as this.

I was going to propose a nexus NPC that could change name colors, but I think that would be a massive headache for all sorts of other things, like storage, etc.

also, if you start a fight, you may have secret allies with you in the shadows, but they have to have PvP tags to join. However, the one you are fighting with, may also have secret friends with them, and they do not have to have PvP tags to join. Starting PvP is accepting all consequences that come with it.

And treasure does scale, I am positive of it.

[NegInfinity]

then dont put pvp at the top of your bio, and you wont have to.

I dislike the proposal because it reminds me of nonsense I've been dealing with when I briefly played Lineage.

I also think having multiple rules in effect simultaneously is a bad idea.

So, red, green, blue and yellow meet together and start pre-pvp dance. Who is allowed to do what regarding whom?

I wouldn't want to deal with this. I prefer one set of rules for everything, covering every situation, and the rules should be as simple as possible. Current PVP rules are already a mouthful and require summoning baatezu to make sense out of some situations.

Blue PVP tag smells like straight up metagaming and OOC information.

So, still a No, I still dislike it, and still view it as a step in direction of turning bgtscc into MMO/MOBA.

[AlexBnt]

then dont put pvp at the top of your bio, and you wont have to.

I dislike the proposal because it reminds me of nonsense I've been dealing with when I briefly played Lineage.

I also think having multiple rules in effect simultaneously is a bad idea.

So, red, green, blue and yellow meet together and start pre-pvp dance. Who is allowed to do what regarding whom?

I wouldn't want to deal with this. I prefer one set of rules for everything, covering every situation, and the rules should be as simple as possible. Current PVP rules are already a mouthful and require summoning baatezu to make sense out of some situations.

Blue PVP tag smells like straight up metagaming and OOC information.

So, still a No, I still dislike it, and still view it as a step in direction of turning bgtscc into MMO/MOBA.

This. All this.

[aaron22]

yea. not a fan really of any of this. im not sure i can get on board of more segregation and what comes from it. good idea and principles, but i dont think it is a big enough issue to create such a vast remedy.

[NeOmega]

then dont put pvp at the top of your bio, and you wont have to.

I dislike the proposal because it reminds me of nonsense I've been dealing with when I briefly played Lineage.

I also think having multiple rules in effect simultaneously is a bad idea.

So, red, green, blue and yellow meet together and start pre-pvp dance. Who is allowed to do what regarding whom?

I wouldn't want to deal with this. I prefer one set of rules for everything, covering every situation, and the rules should be as simple as possible. Current PVP rules are already a mouthful and require summoning baatezu to make sense out of some situations.

Blue PVP tag smells like straight up metagaming and OOC information.

So, still a No, I still dislike it, and still view it as a step in direction of turning bgtscc into MMO/MOBA.

cool dude. you dont have to participate. we'll have fun without you.

[NeOmega]

yea. not a fan really of any of this. im not sure i can get on board of more segregation and what comes from it. good idea and principles, but i dont think it is a big enough issue to create such a vast remedy.

there are well over 200 players on the pvp fan club thread. my guess would be 95% of them have yet to have a PvP encounter from the list. It is obviously failing to deliver what a not insignificant number of players want.

I will also note, none of the objectors to this system proposal in this thread, are on the original pvp fan club thread, either. So you guys were never interested in being in any kind of pvp club, so your objections, so far, ring hollow, not only for that reason, but because you are bringing up no counter proposals to help people who want more PvP get what they want.

Clearly, the base rules are not doing any of these players any good. To get more PvP between those who want it, there clearly needs to be an easier, more accesible system.

[aaron22]

that pvp fan club op was last edited over 8 years ago. none of those players still roll here anymore.

we be da new age o' pvp ere.

im all for a good roll, and a system would be great. it is just not something that is needed from my perspective. If i want to PvP. i do. its pretty plain as that. enough people on here are down with a scrap as long as we can be good sports about it. and that is good enough for me.

edit: plus i dont know how to change colors in my bio LOL.

[Cenerae]

Maybe you could curate your own public list if the PvP club thread isn't being used currently.

It certainly seems easier than trying to convince everyone to segregate themselves into little groups.

[NeOmega]

Maybe you could curate your own public list if the PvP club thread isn't being used currently.

It certainly seems easier than trying to convince everyone to segregate themselves into little groups.

the problem with the list was it didnt work, because it was a list of players with no way to tell in game if they were pvp club or not.

this system gives a quick, color coded glance, to know what you are dealing with.

segregated is a weighted word, plus there is no segregation here, its just dividing people into cops and robbers, cowboys and indians, because that is what people want to play.

[Kaybrie]

segregated is a weighted word, plus there is no segregation here, its just dividing people into cops and robbers, cowboys and indians, because that is what people want to play.

It's not at all appealing for me because it's abundantly clear that it stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of why people use PvP as a tool to enhance their roleplay. And your sentence here demonstrates that.

This idea won't work any better then the PvP Fanclub did. It's just a metagaming enhancement tool to encourage particular behavior around certain players, little different from the level scry.

[aaron22]

while it should be pretty obvious that i am not there to trade baseball cards. My savage and murderous orcs will apply the paint. see how it goes. whatever.

how do i make colors in my bio?

[NeOmega]

while it should be pretty obvious that i am not there to trade baseball cards. My savage and murderous orcs will apply the paint. see how it goes. whatever.

how do i make colors in my bio?

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<c=red>PvP hostile orc</c>

or

<color=red>pvp</color>

if that doesnt work, put the color in quote marks. if you want yellow or blue, type in yellow or blue instead. welcome to http. :p

the first tag tells the webpage or game, whatever uses the http language, to start the color, the /color tag tells it to end the color, and continue using the color it used before the color tag started.

[NegInfinity]

edit: plus i dont know how to change colors in my bio LOL.

It is the same way as with normal chat text . Faux-html tags <c=blue>text</c> or <c=#FFEEDD>text</c>.