Assassin Spellcasting - Potential Qualifier for Pale Master?

[Deathgrowl]

Practiced spellcaster only increases caster level, not spell progression. That is vanilla NWN2.

[chad878262]

Also, if it doesn't add to spellcasting progression, you mind telling me how a wizard of level 10 can cast spells of 8'th level?

They can't... a 10th level wizard can only cast level 5 spells.

[Incarnate]

Practiced spellcaster only increases caster level, not spell progression. That is vanilla NWN2.

Yes, I know - I also just stated the caster level.
Part of where the confusion is from me remembering 9'th being available for a wizard at level 16, which is incorrect, the level is 17 from when the first level 9'th is available.

Also, if it doesn't add to spellcasting progression, you mind telling me how a wizard of level 10 can cast spells of 8'th level?

They can't... a 10th level wizard can only cast level 5 spells.

Exactly, and according to what you're saying, then a Wizard 10 / PM10 would only be able to cast level 5 because PM doesn't add spellprogression, only caster level.

..but you also state that they will be able to cast spells from level 8'th, which is correct, but this also means that PM does add spellprogression.

[chad878262]

No, practiced caster...(psc). I never said pale master doesn't increase caster level... i said you build casts 8th level spells 10 wiz + 6 pm...16.

[Incarnate]

No, practiced caster...(psc). I never said pale master doesn't increase caster level... i said you build casts 8th level spells 10 wiz + 6 pm...16.

My bad, then we're both in agreement then.

However, I made some changes to the build so it should now be able to access level 9, basically removed 2 assassin levels and added two wizard levels.

So its basically now: BGTSCC: Pale Assassin Master
Rogue 5 / Assassin 3 / Wizard 12 / Pale Master 10
- BAB 16+5 = 21 (Both Melee & Ranged) | Melee & Ranged Touch: 21
- AC 24 (+5 Dex, + 6 Boneskin, +2 Tumble, +1 Dodge)
- HP 154
- 4APR
- 5d6 Sneak Attack
- CL 22 (Wiz12+PM6+PSC4) | DC: 18 - Necromancy 22 | Epic Spell Penetration)
- Access to 9'th level spells.
- Epic Spell: Vampiric Feast

Though, it might be beneficial to get in some Red Wizard levels in it to get a higher DC, but its not really that much I could squeeze in, think +2DC I'd be able to get in, plus the whole build would look a lot different, but overall much the same in regards to what is chosen. But also, this build is based on a tiefling, where Red wizard is based on human, so it would really only gain +1DC. Of course there would be some added benefits from being a Red Wizard, but not sure if that would be worth it. Though such a character here might be much of great use to the Thayan Enclave.

I've made a different version with Red Wizard in it: Pale Assassin Master | Version II: Red
- BAB 16+4 = 20
- AC 21 (+4 DEX, +6 Boneskin, +1 Dodge)
- 4APR
- 4d6 Sneak Attack
- CL 23 (Wiz5+RW8+PM6+PSC4) | DC: 18 - Necromancy 23 | Epic Spell Penetration)
- Spell Power +4 | DC Necromancy 27
- Access to 9'th level spells.
- Epic Spell: Vampiric Feast

[chad878262]

having trouble understanding what you're going for. You're gimping your spell casting and attack bonus is so low you'll rarely hit anything. If you're going to be a caster you should focus on getting a minimum of dc38 wail (and 40+ is obviously desirable). If you want to attack with weapons you should aim for a minimum total attack bonus of 40 (or 34 with hips).

If you have have AB 30 and DCs of 24+ spell level you have a pc That doesn't really do anything well enough.

[Incarnate]

having trouble understanding what you're going for. You're gimping your spell casting and attack bonus is so low you'll rarely hit anything. If you're going to be a caster you should focus on getting a minimum of dc38 wail (and 40+ is obviously desirable). If you want to attack with weapons you should aim for a minimum total attack bonus of 40 (or 34 with hips).

If you have have AB 30 and DCs of 24+ spell level you have a pc That doesn't really do anything well enough.

So what you're saying is I should just make a Full Caster thats doing assassinations?

Like, Wiz10/RW20 - Assuming Epic Red Wizard is possible on the server?

Like I said, what I was attempting is an assassin themed necromancer, where the signature is the use of necromancy - if palemaster it would've been the Pale Master touch attacks.

[chad878262]

Yep... no epic red wizard though so would have to be w20/rw10...or W10/RW10/PM10. Also note that red wizard is lore heavy and requires dm approval.

[NegInfinity]

Like, Wiz10/RW20 - Assuming Epic Red Wizard is possible on the server?

You can't have 20 levels in red wizard. Prestige classes have 10 levels max, once you've reached the last level, you can no longer advance in prestige class, because it is "finished". It doesn't matter if you're epic level or not.

And yeah, Red Wizards have some very complex lore and require DM approval.

[Incarnate]

Yep... no epic red wizard though so would have to be w20/rw10...or W10/RW10/PM10. Also note that red wizard is lore heavy and requires dm approval.

Yeah, I know that Red Wizards require DM approval, not really something I think should be a problem with my level of experience - considering I have 27+ years of experience DM'ing and Playing D&D - besides, I don't mind a bit of reading to get the background straight if I need to.

Though it would've been cool to actually have assassin levels in the build, if the character is to act as an assassin. Now the real question is, should I put Pale Master levels in, and with 26 or 30 caster levels to play with there's a lot of options available to put emphasis on his ability to kill, whether through clever use of curses(enchantments) and/or poisons, sheer spell power, summons and/or undead to finish the job, or plain 'ol necromancy spells (save or die).

Like, Wiz10/RW20 - Assuming Epic Red Wizard is possible on the server?

You can't have 20 levels in red wizard. Prestige classes have 10 levels max, once you've reached the last level, you can no longer advance in prestige class, because it is "finished". It doesn't matter if you're epic level or not.

And yeah, Red Wizards have some very complex lore and require DM approval.

Actually, there is such a thing as an EPIC Red Wizard, just apparently not in nwn2.

Source: Faerûnian Prestige Class : Red Wizard

[Sun Wukong]

Why not a...

Phantom 3/Wizard 7/Arcane Trickster 10/Pale Master 10? It would have caster level of 27. Three instant 'invisibility' spells per through Ghost Step, and 7d6 sneak attack dice that applies to your ranged touch attack spells. Some reserve feats too.

Edit: you can also get additional AC from wisdom. Base 14 + Owl's Wisdom is +4 points of AC.

[NegInfinity]

Actually, there is such a thing as an EPIC Red Wizard, just

Dude, how many times would people need to tell you that this is not PnP?

It is not implemented here this way, can't be done on the server, no point in talking about it.

[Incarnate]

Why not a...

Phantom 3/Wizard 7/Arcane Trickster 10/Pale Master 10? It would have caster level of 27. Three instant 'invisibility' spells per through Ghost Step, and 7d6 sneak attack dice that applies to your ranged touch attack spells. Some reserve feats too.

Edit: you can also get additional AC from wisdom. Base 14 + Owl's Wisdom is +4 points of AC.

Looks very interesting indeed.

[Sun Wukong]

It requires you to pick one of the following races to avoid the multiclassing experience penalty: Human, Deep Imaskari, Half-Elf, Half-Drow, Sun Elf, Moon Elf, or Drow.