Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

as a surface orc i try to play both sides as much as i can. i play on the surface... because im am a surface player. i go to the UD because the social interaction is... well... im an orc. so as someone who actually uses both this is kinda poopy. come on.. that isnt right.

this whole thing smells like, "punish the many for the irresponsibility of the few."

Flasmix wrote:What does the No Xp on both sides mean? As in, nobody can get XP at all?

As far as I know, it means that if either side goes to their other side respectively - as in UD'ers going to surface and surfacers going to UD.

aaron22 wrote:this whole thing smells like, "punish the many for the irresponsibility of the few."

Yep, as I just pointed out, and really doesn't solve the issue.

I thought that was 'No XP on the Other Side'.

Flasmix wrote:If you're fine with the no looting mechanic what's the issue? You can still go up and RP with zero issue. You can't just go up and fight monsters and surfacers can't go down for the same.

Nothing at all is preventing RP.

That is false. Surfacers have access to half of the underdark, while the underdarkers have access to nowhere on the surface.

These rules are completely anti-rp and they target characters involved in PvE, not PvP. Besides "preventing" rule breaking by cracking down on people who have broken no rules violates any sane person's sense of justice.

The DMswho have voted for this should be ashamed of themselves as DMs and if they had any shame they would either apologize or step down.

Likewise, the admins should be ashamed of themselves for doing like Pontius Pilate and washing their hands of this by allowing their DM staff to enact such anti-rp, anti-lore rules.

SHAME ON YOU.

Flasmix wrote:I thought that was 'No XP on the Other Side'.

....and that doesn't solve the problem.

cosmic ray wrote: These rules are completely anti-rp and they target characters involved in PvE, not PvP. Besides "preventing" rule breaking by cracking down on people who have broken no rules violates any sane person's sense of justice.

I completely agree with this, and like I said just before, this DOESN'T solve the problem at all. Instead it punishes people who're engaging in PvE.

IF you know who the violators are, then punish them directly! - That is one way to approach it and deal with it, which is an obvious choice if its a minority of players.

IF the problem is of much larger scale, then it IC solutions that discourage that kind of behaviour should be considered. For instance one that springs to mind, could be having word travel fast that an UD force is attacking at X-location, and help should be sent immediately. That could probably be handled through IC solutions (ingame mechanics) like have a sending spell target high level characters - or have it notify DM's (if within the game's functionality).

...and if I'm not mistaken, then the rules state something about not having do an RP-out if PvP activity is already in the process, and PvP-baiting could be considered as such.

Flasmix wrote:What does the No Xp on both sides mean? As in, nobody can get XP at all?

it is a test to make sure the people who are answering can actually read and/or comprehend words

It’s a great rule.

Bg never widely supported ud characters staying on the surface and vice versa, unless there is an RP reason. Emphasis on RP reason. The rule mechanically enforces just that. Simple as that. Anything else, bg does not cater for.

As a player in the UD this does not hinder the gaining of XP in any fashion. It simply stops you from grinding on the surface when you should not be and vice versa for UD (not counting UP UD). If you want to RP on the surface do so but make sure you are still following the rules nad you have valid reason to be there aside from 'the UD is dead' if you cannot help to make RP down there or will not, put in an App, or honestly just make a surface character at that point.

I can understand having a 'common ground/grind area' on surface like the UP UD but the surface is just that where as the UD is many different tunnels and shall we say layers. Surface being only one basically not counting you know caverns and all but lets not be nit picky, doesn't make it easy.

Soubar is semi a loose area for Drow to hang out at. You can get RP there yes you may get called out from surfacers to duke it out but you are also a Drow on the Surface, you are meant to be hated from all the monster stories that the populace tells their children and children's children etc. If you don't like that kind of RP because you may be hunted all the time, just refrain from rolling one.

So as a UDer I am personally not bothered by this and actually welcome it, as then those dirty surfacers coming down to the UD (not UP UD) are treated the same in the way of XP gaining. <3 If you want to be there to RP then be there with valid reason but if you are there to grind? Sorry either put in for it with the Apps, or make a character corresponding to that area. You don't need to cross grind on the Surface or the UD (Not UP UD) to get XP.

I may have dbl gone over things but I think I got the gist of it out, and apologies if it comes out a bit bluntly!

mrm3ntalist wrote:It’s a great rule.

Bg never widely supported ud characters staying on the surface and vice versa, unless there is an RP reason. Emphasis on RP reason. The rule mechanically enforces just that. Simple as that. Anything else, bg does not cater for.

This. The module has always been about Baldur's Gate and it's immediate environs.

how very narrow minded. disappointed is hardly sufficient. expected much more perspective in the collection.

ValerieJean wrote:As a player in the UD this does not hinder the gaining of XP in any fashion. It simply stops you from grinding on the surface when you should not be and vice versa for UD (not counting UP UD). If you want to RP on the surface do so but make sure you are still following the rules nad you have valid reason to be there aside from 'the UD is dead' if you cannot help to make RP down there or will not, put in an App, or honestly just make a surface character at that point.

It does do a lot more than that, because consider, UD'ers can have as much a good reason to explore on the surface as any other surface race has to explore on in the UD. Also, there is a big difference between grinding and exploring - grinding is when you keep working the same area over and over, why should one be prevented xp and rewards for killing something just because they're in "enemy" territory? I can see why grinding should be, but xp and rewards on general scale for the other side, no I don't follow that.

ValerieJean wrote:Soubar is semi a loose area for Drow to hang out at. You can get RP there yes you may get called out from surfacers to duke it out but you are also a Drow on the Surface, you are meant to be hated from all the monster stories that the populace tells their children and children's children etc. If you don't like that kind of RP because you may be hunted all the time, just refrain from rolling one.

Actually, truth is they're not really as hated in Forgotten Realms surfaces as they're made out to be here, the ones who TRULY HATES them would be the ELFs. Its really besides the point whether they're hated or not, the point is that players are being punished for engaging with PvE on the other side - it basically means that you have NO REASON to explore the surface, because you get nothing out of it - which you truly should, grinding or not. Because if grinding is the real problem, then grinding on the surface is just as much an issue for UD when both sides are grinding in their own territory.

ValerieJean wrote:So as a UDer I am personally not bothered by this and actually welcome it, as then those dirty surfacers coming down to the UD (not UP UD) are treated the same in the way of XP gaining. <3 If you want to be there to RP then be there with valid reason but if you are there to grind? Sorry either put in for it with the Apps, or make a character corresponding to that area. You don't need to cross grind on the Surface or the UD (Not UP UD) to get XP.

The point is that this rule actually also punishes those that want to LEGITIMATELY explore the surface as a UD character.

People pick out which bits of lore they want to enforce based on their ooc preferences. Drow hatred is blown up while tiefling hatred is almost ignored.

aaron22 wrote:how very narrow minded. disappointed is hardly sufficient. expected much more perspective in the collection.

Call it however you please. Thats how it always was

cosmic ray wrote:People pick out which bits of lore they want to enforce based on their ooc preferences. Drow hatred is blown up while tiefling hatred is almost ignored.

No.

Drow hatred on the surface is lore based, and backed up by server lore made stronger by IC actions, a la Tolerance is Treason and other player-based initiatives. All of that was spurred by other IC actions by drow themselves.

Along the same lines, tiefling hate (to some extent) has been mitigated by IC actions, namely as the leader of CK for a time (Maecius's old character).

==

And please stop trying to claim the upperdark for either the surface or the underdark. It is neither, it is both. It is the in-between. All of this about wanting to explore, RP, and interact with surfacers - thats what the upperdark is all about.

Flasmix wrote:What does the No Xp on both sides mean? As in, nobody can get XP at all?

Yes.