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Re: Karma monks
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:47 am
by chad878262
Sun Wukong wrote:chad878262 wrote:Nope, The build AC81 posted can reach 17 APR.
Shouldn't that be 18?
BAB of 26+, which gives 6 attacks per hand. 12 attacks
Greater Flurry of Blows, gives 5 attacks. 17 attacks.
Haste gives an extra attack. 18 attacks?
True.
Re: Karma monks
Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:06 pm
by Sun Wukong
AC81 wrote:M11/F14/SB5 is good also, uses intelligence for damage. Wicked XP penalty + ECL.
Air Genasi, +2 DEX and INT, -2 WIS and CHA, Favored class Fighter, hence only a 20% experience penalty after reaching level 26.
http://nwn2db.com/build/?285490 <= Such a build put together quickly.
Re: Karma monks
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:37 am
by scriver
Sun Wukong wrote:scriver wrote:Sun Wukong wrote: Self-Concealment,
Kama kama kama kama kama chameleon
FINALLY! SOMEONE GETS IT! IT HAS BEEN YEARS, LITERAL YEARS!
I am proud and joyous

Oh frabjous day
Re: Karma monks
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:50 am
by AC81
Sun Wukong wrote:AC81 wrote:M11/F14/SB5 is good also, uses intelligence for damage. Wicked XP penalty + ECL.
Air Genasi, +2 DEX and INT, -2 WIS and CHA, Favored class Fighter, hence only a 20% experience penalty after reaching level 26.
http://nwn2db.com/build/?285490 <= Such a build put together quickly.
Pretty good. I'd personally drop blindfight, toughness, steadfast and blinding strike in favour of imp combat expertise, greater TWD, expose weakness and maybe ki step if I could re-jig my stats a little to get 13 or 14 wis.
Re: Karma monks
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:58 am
by Sun Wukong
You could drop starting dexterity to 19, which frees enough points to raise Wisdom little higher. You will need to get that +4 dexterity item instead of a cheap +3 one, but you get to have the feats you want.
Additionally, if you take Monk 6/Swashbuckler 5 pre-epic, you can push one of the fighter bonus feat levels to epic levels and grab Epic Prowess, which makes space for Expose Weakness.
Re: Karma monks
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:30 am
by AC81
It's a build that I know mreider levelled to 30 as a tiefling and by the time it got expose it just shredded everything. He also shopped around for +3 vamp kamas ... he was routinely able to regen 40 hp a round. Keep in mind his build was around before epic shops and +4 gear and even feats like deadly defence and ki step, so i imagine the build would be much more potent now. It seems very item dependent, but the items needed are in shops now, so this build should do well.
Edit: In fact, I may roll one!!!

Re: Karma monks
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:16 am
by Theodore01
In which shop are +3 vamp kama's

Re: Karma monks
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 6:45 am
by AC81
Theodore01 wrote:In which shop are +3 vamp kama's

No shop ... ever hopefully. When I say 'shopped around', I mean he traded hard for them. IMO, no shop should ever sell ANY vamp +3 weapons, some things should be made to be found.
Re: Karma monks
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:22 pm
by Sun Wukong
Go for it. There is nothing wrong with using the Genasi to avoid most of the multiclassing experience penalty.
Thiefling would have superior stats, but experience penalty is going to be horrible even if you RCR to level 20.
Re: Karma monks
Posted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 4:42 pm
by Theodore01
Sun Wukong wrote:Go for it. There is nothing wrong with using the Genasi to avoid most of the multiclassing experience penalty.
Thiefling would have superior stats, but experience penalty is going to be horrible even if you RCR to level 20.
horrible ? - you can have much longer fun with such a character.
Re: Karma monks
Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 12:06 am
by Sun Wukong
You can avoid the experience penalty until level 18 on a tiefling, and it is going to get worse after that... What makes the multiclassing experience penalty horrible is the percentage reduction with integer rounding.