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Re: Mighty Bows
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:44 pm
by joleda
chad878262 wrote:joleda wrote:Epic HIPS:. 4 Fighter, 13 Hunter, 5 Elemental Archer, 8 Assassin (due to Many Shot at Hunter 10)
This is why you go vanilla Ranger with such a build. Yest the 13d6 traps from Hunter are nice, but since the DC is low they are less appealing (especially if enemy has evasion). Ranger gets Rapid Shot at 2 and Manyshot at 6. Thus you could go Ra6/A8/F3/EA3 by 20, which has the downside of spending an epic feat on Ranged Mastery, but the upside of getting HiPS at 14... Or you could go Ra6/A7/F4/EA3 at 20, which allows an extra Epic Feat for something else, but delays HiPS until level 21. Hunter getting Manyshot at 10 delays your best feature (HiPS and Manyshot) until level 24 at best which will make leveling much less fun.
I agree. The really nice thing about Hunter is the versatility of getting Manyshot and Greater Two Weapon Fighting, which also means sword 'n board is available. Good versatility but less power. Hunter also gives Uncanny Dodge, which can round out a build. Assassin gets Uncanny Dodge so it doesn't help in this case. Anyway, I agree with your analysis.
Re: Mighty Bows
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:27 pm
by Sun Wukong
TeoDeathDealer wrote:Don't wish to hijack the threat, but I will anyway.
Anyone have a good mighty slinger build?
Wisdom based Zen Archery using Rogue or Phantom 3/Cleric 7/Darkfire Disciple 10/Hierophant 10. Clerics just have so many different spells that add damage, and summons, so you can get the +5d6 Sneak Attack dice reliably too. What was it? 40+ damage per hit? You do not even need Rapid Shot or Manyshot...
Basically, mostly dexterity based Barbarian 21/Asassin 9 could work too.
Re: Mighty Bows
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 2:57 pm
by Vogar Eol
Traveled with a sling + shield wielding halfling that had paladin in the build, if not mostly paladin. They were self buffing for insane damage on normal hits. Bonus damage was mostly Magical / Divine. Looked like they may have had some cleric spells in there too.
Re: Mighty Bows
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:12 pm
by Sun Wukong
Paladin's and Cleric have Divine Favor for +3 magic damage. Paladin's spellbook also has Bless Weapon which is +2d6 Magic damage against undead. Epic Divine Might is an option, but you can actually go for high charisma build that makes use of regular divine might. Not to mention how Paladins do get that +8 to both charisma and strength from their spells. Use Manyshot to double your damage per hit.
Re: Mighty Bows
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 3:16 pm
by chad878262
*shudders at the thought of some ultra strange Paladin 21/A9 slinger build that does ungodly damage with Manyshot/Death Attack/EDM (or high Charisma regular DM)*
Re: Mighty Bows
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 4:58 pm
by samb123
chad878262 wrote:*shudders at the thought of some ultra strange Paladin 21/A9 slinger build that does ungodly damage with Manyshot/Death Attack/EDM (or high Charisma regular DM)*
Talk about the alignment wrangling you'd have to do in order to get that...
Re: Mighty Bows
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:12 pm
by Tsidkenu
Bgtscc assassin class incorporates Avenger, meaning it is not alignment restricted.
Pal/Assn is both possible and legit.
Re: Mighty Bows
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:25 pm
by samb123
Tsidkenu wrote:Bgtscc assassin class incorporates Avenger, meaning it is not alignment restricted.
Pal/Assn is both possible and legit.
That is... pretty cool.
Re: Mighty Bows
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:10 pm
by Sun Wukong
chad878262 wrote:*shudders at the thought of some ultra strange Paladin 21/A9 slinger build that does ungodly damage with Manyshot/Death Attack/EDM (or high Charisma regular DM)*
Paladins need their buffs, so... a mere dispel will reduce the damage output.
Edit: And it would be a follower of Hoar!
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Assassins assassinated my parents, and now I am an assassin that assassinates all assassins!
Re: Mighty Bows
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:00 pm
by joleda
What attribute distribution would an EDM slinger have?
Manyshot requires 17 Dexterity.
Re: Mighty Bows
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:20 pm
by Sun Wukong
viewtopic.php?f=64&t=64380 <= I think this thread might help with that.
Re: Mighty Bows
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:44 pm
by chad878262
Tsidkenu wrote:Bgtscc assassin class incorporates Avenger, meaning it is not alignment restricted.
Pal/Assn is both possible and legit.
legit as long as you don't use poison...though I can't imagine death attack being considered 'honorable combat'... Not sure how 3.5 lore (much less 1e/2d lore) would allow for a Paladin/Avenger. 5e allows it, but before that I don't think so (though never played 4e).
Sun Wukong wrote:chad878262 wrote:*shudders at the thought of some ultra strange Paladin 21/A9 slinger build that does ungodly damage with Manyshot/Death Attack/EDM (or high Charisma regular DM)*
Paladins need their buffs, so... a mere dispel will reduce the damage output.
Edit: And it would be a follower of Hoar!
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Assassins assassinated my parents, and now I am an assassin that assassinates all assassins!
I have my next character concept!!
Just kidding, but not really!
Re: Mighty Bows
Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:57 pm
by samb123
chad878262 wrote:Tsidkenu wrote:Bgtscc assassin class incorporates Avenger, meaning it is not alignment restricted.
Pal/Assn is both possible and legit.
legit as long as you don't use poison...though I can't imagine death attack being considered 'honorable combat'... Not sure how 3.5 lore (much less 1e/2d lore) would allow for a Paladin/Avenger. 5e allows it, but before that I don't think so (though never played 4e).
No one said it was a good RP concept, just that mechanics allow it.