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Re: Necromancer Summons

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:11 pm
by Hawke
Then why not walk around summoning undead without worrying about getting slayed?

Re: Necromancer Summons

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 1:47 pm
by Deathgrowl
Because Invoker's statement is slightly inaccurate. If you are seen doing a crime (such as creating undead on duchal lands) you are KoS.

More imporantly, you're outing yourself as a necromancer and subjecting yourself to a lot of hostility. Not going to get a lot of friends that way, and certainly not any position of influence outside of maybe the Zhentarim (but even there, they don't have much use for people who are practically universially despised outside of the Zhentarim).

Then you'll eventually end up in a PvP where you die. And another one. And another one. And so on. Until the character becomes a joke, like so many others before it.

Re: Necromancer Summons

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 3:54 pm
by Invoker
Deathgrowl wrote:Because Invoker's statement is slightly inaccurate. If you are seen doing a crime (such as creating undead on duchal lands) you are KoS.
I'd say your statement about mine is inaccurate :P .

Find the differences with the above:
Hawke wrote: Actually I just read the rules again... I couldn't find the Kos rule for being seen to create undead. I am sure it is there somewhere.
If you spotted the missing "on duchal lands" you can look with optimism at your future as a lawyer.

The PvP rules prevent you from attacking anyone in lawless lands, no matter what they do. Civilized lands aren't many.
More imporantly, you're outing yourself as a necromancer and subjecting yourself to a lot of hostility. Not going to get a lot of friends that way, and certainly not any position of influence outside of maybe the Zhentarim (but even there, they don't have much use for people who are practically universially despised outside of the Zhentarim).
You aren't, if you wear a mask.
Then you'll eventually end up in a PvP where you die. And another one. And another one. And so on. Until the character becomes a joke, like so many others before it.
Yeah, those people should retire the character way before ending up like that. Agreed.
Hawke wrote:Then why not walk around summoning undead without worrying about getting slayed?
That is exactly what is going on, presently.

Re: Necromancer Summons

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 5:50 pm
by KOPOJIbPAKOB
Deathgrowl wrote:Because Invoker's statement is slightly inaccurate. If you are seen doing a crime (such as creating undead on duchal lands) you are KoS.

More imporantly, you're outing yourself as a necromancer and subjecting yourself to a lot of hostility. Not going to get a lot of friends that way, and certainly not any position of influence outside of maybe the Zhentarim (but even there, they don't have much use for people who are practically universially despised outside of the Zhentarim).

Then you'll eventually end up in a PvP where you die. And another one. And another one. And so on. Until the character becomes a joke, like so many others before it.
I totally agree with it (experienced it myself). On the other hand, current PvP rules can easily be abused to the degree when you become invincible no matter what you do (except blatant godmodding). Technically, you can walk away / relog / start OOC whining, and it makes PvP over. It is not a theorycraft, this is what happens more and more often. Everyone is still free to kill your minions with no warning anytime though.

Re: Necromancer Summons

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 9:56 pm
by Brutalix
Sun Wukong wrote:The undead Palemaster gets are better, especially if you use the... Desecrate spell from some skull item sold in Beregost. (Or Underdark)
Where is this skull sold? I couldnt find it in Beregost nor UD.

Re: Necromancer Summons

Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:37 pm
by Tsidkenu
I know exactly where you can get them :P

/shameless self advertising

Re: Necromancer Summons

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 8:18 am
by Sun Wukong
Brutalix wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:The undead Palemaster gets are better, especially if you use the... Desecrate spell from some skull item sold in Beregost. (Or Underdark)
Where is this skull sold? I couldnt find it in Beregost nor UD.
I saw them on the travelling merchant near the northern Entrance. Just go through each vendor item category. If they are not there anymore... Don't know where.

Re: Necromancer Summons

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 12:36 pm
by Brutalix
Thank you! I did find it at the traveling merchants in Beregost. It's called the "Black Skull" and sells for 5000gp. 2 uses per day of desecrate.