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Re: Mage shifter build

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:27 am
by jeminizero
Hello, I have a small question: What applies to Shapechange for AC? The calculations above indicate Tumble ranks and Dodge feat apply. What about Luck of Heroes and Armored Skin?

Re: Mage shifter build

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:39 am
by Rudolph
What about Luck of Heroes and Armored Skin?
Those two definitely do. There is a wiki entry that covers much of the details (though not all) here:
https://wiki.bgtscc.net/index.php?title=Polymorphing

Re: Mage shifter build

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 11:10 am
by jeminizero
I ran some simple experiments using a scroll of Polymorph bought from the High Hedge Wizard.

TL;DR: Currently, it seems that Tumble Ranks, Luck of Heroes and Armor Skin DO NOT apply.

Details:
1. Character has 20+ tumble ranks, Luck of Heroes and Armor Skin
2. Transform into a troll without gear. Listed AC: 20 (same as Troll base AC as listed in the Polymorph page, so none of the above apply)
3. Transform into a troll with +3 Deflection gear. Listed AC: 23

Re: Mage shifter build

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:32 pm
by Rudolph
Tumble and LoH do apply, but the AC values in that green wiki table are not correct (or at least not clear). Here's a conversation I had on the subject that might help. Note especially Sun Wukong's list of form ACs. Hopefully the thread will help you get there faster than it took me...
viewtopic.php?f=64&t=65260

Re: Mage shifter build

Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2019 6:13 pm
by Steve
I'm going ahead to recreate the table in a non-Image file format, so it can can be wiki-adjusted with glee from now on...and includes the supposed REAL Base Armor stats for—at least—the shapes from the Shapechange spell.

Any more changes needed before I publish?

BTW...(do-me)' BBcode and tables ssssuuuuuucccccckkkkkkkk. Now I remember why I quit being a web person and started doing...other things. :ugeek:

Polymorph
RaceFocusOffensiveDefenseDmgSTRCONDEXBase AC
KoboldWeapon Enchantment carries overKukri,Sling--910138
GoblinWeapon Enchantment carries overRapier,Spear-1112138
GnollWeapon Enchantment carries overHalberd--1513108
OreWeapon Enchantment carries overLongsword, Crossbow--1712117
TroglodyteWeapon Enchantment carries overSpear--1014910
MinotaurWeapon Enchantment carries overGreataxe--1915107
TrollRegen-Regen2d42323148
OgreWeapon Enchantment carries overWarmace--211587
Yetinone-2d42216128
Gargoylenone--2d41518147
Myconidnone10% ConfusingAttack-2d61415126
KenkuWeapon Enchantment carries overShortsword, Bow1614164
GlouraWeapon Enchantment carries overDagger--812176
DriderWeapon Enchantment carries overScythe, Crossbow,Longsword--1516156
HumanWeapon Enchantment carries overLongsword--1414144
ElfWeapon Enchantment carries overRapier--1214164
DrowWeapon Enchantment carries overRapier--1214164
DuergarWeapon Enchantment carries overGreataxe--1614164
DwarfWeapon Enchantment carries overGreataxe--1614164
SahuaginWeapon Enchantment carries overSpear--1412135
WorgnonePower Attack-2d41715156
Hook Horrornone--2d42414176
Shapechange
RaceFocusOffensiveDefenseDmgSTRCONDEXBase AC
Fire GiantOffense {Weapon)Greatsword +5, Alch SilverFire Immunity2d6+153121920
Frost GiantOffense {Weapon)Greataxe +5, Cold Iron, Vamp +2Cold Immunity1d12+132921918
Hill GiantOffense {Weapon)Greatclub +5, Alch Silver, Mass Crit, Daze on Hit2d8+102519816
MaurOffense {Weapon)Greataxe +5, Cold Iron, Vamp +21d12+12262010
Werewolf LordOffense and Defense10 / Silver3d6+1432201823
Iron GolemDefense (Magic)Haste10 / Bludgeoning, Magic Immunity, Construct Traits2d10+72510921
MindflayerOffense (Brains)Attack +7, Kill on Hit (DC=14): Goblins, Ores, Monstrous, ReptilianSR 34, Combat Expertise1d8+516161421
DragonsDefense (AC, Sneak)KeenSneak Immunity, Elemental Immunity2d6+1233211026 (Mist Dragon 30)
Five-headed HydraOffense (Attacks)Additonal AttacksRegen 52d10+826201222
SkeletonOffense and DefenseScythe +5, Keen, Vamp +15/Bludgeoning, Undead Traits2d418101823
ZombieDefense (Immunities)Strong Zombie Creep5/Slashing, Undead Traits1d8+1d6181016
NightwalkerDefense (Immunities)Vampiric Regeneration +110 / Silver, Undead Traits2d6+1438101424
PlanetarOffense (Weapon)Greatsword +4, Alch Silver, Aligned10/Chaotic, SR 30, Regen 2, Celestial Traits2d6+1d4+4+1025101919
Moon DogDefense (Spell Resistance, Evasion)1d8 vs Evil, Ench +310/Evil, SR 34, Improved Evasion, Celestial Traits3d6+1d8+3+724161319
Arboreal ElfOffense (Ranged)Bow +4, aligned, mighty 810/Lawful, Fey Traits1d8+1d6+9+521212122
MarutOffense and DefenseAligned10 / Chaotic, Regen 2, Construct Traits2d6+1d8+1235101320
Slaad, DeathOffenseAligned, Stun on Hit, +1 AB, Slaad Eggs10 / Lawful, Regen 3, Slaad Traits3d6+1021212324
ErinyeOffense (Ranged)Bow +4, aligned, mighty 85 / Chaotic, Regen 1, Baatezu Traits1d8+1d6+9+521212122
Horned DevilDefense (AC)Aligned10 / Chaotic, Regen 3, Baatezu Traits2d6+1031252532
PalretheeOffense and DefenseGreatsword +5, Alch Silver10 / Lawful, Fire Shield 5, Tanari Traits2d6+1d6+10+419161621
HezrouOffense and DefenseAB +310 / Lawful, Tanari Traits3d6+4+521291018
BebelithOffenseAligned, Bebilith Venom10 I Lawful, Web Immunity2d8+1528261222