Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Have you considered how this will work to not violate play your sheet and godmodding rules? I will admit, I am a little concerned though perhaps I am missing some spells from the cleric spellbook.

Cinnamon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:36 pm People have super mucked up what's going on, though. This is a trial by a god, they -need- to know the evidence, but ONLY the people who are directly channelling the god, as to not base the entire RP on rumour milling.

Which, by the way, I am VERY HAPPY with how mucked up people made this plotline, however that cannot have any play on dealing with a Direct God's Worship and their mechanics. As that would not be prim or proper.

EDIT: Metagaming in this context is to prevent godmoding of Tyr and his Follower's, because they cannot be led astray by misinformation and rumours.

gedweyignasia wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:25 pm

Cinnamon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:26 pmI will bring the full evidence OOC that is required for this trial to whoever is the Arbiter & Priest.

This is probably not the best approach. For other PCs, it's best to provide IC information, saving OOC information for DMs. I understand that it can be tempting to aid another player in gaining a fuller understanding of the situation, but this may fall under "metagaming", especially if their PC is expected to render judgment based on information which they did not obtain IC. It may be better to expect less of a "True" judgment and more of a subjective, fully IC judgment.

This assumed the god Tyr feels that this trial is worth their personal attention and answers the call when called upon. The spell that is used to do this is often not answered by the deity, or is answered as only a single answer to a question asked.

"Commune
Divination
Level: Clr 5
Components: V, S, M, DF, XP
Casting Time: 10 minutes
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: 1 round/level
You contact your deity—or agents thereof —and ask questions that can be answered by a simple yes or no. (A cleric of no particular deity contacts a philosophically allied deity.) You are allowed one such question per caster level. The answers given are correct within the limits of the entity’s knowledge. “Unclear” is a legitimate answer, because powerful beings of the Outer Planes are not necessarily omniscient. In cases where a one-word answer would be misleading or contrary to the deity’s interests, a short phrase (five words or less) may be given as an answer instead.

The spell, at best, provides information to aid character decisions. The entities contacted structure their answers to further their own purposes. If you lag, discuss the answers, or go off to do anything else, the spell ends."

It would be highly unlikely that Tyr would even know your character exists, let alone personally step in to judge your murder case.

I myself witnessed a paladin asking Torm directly during an event about a year ago. (CK looking for a tome to save while church of Torm wanted it destroyed due to dangerous knowledge it contains). That situation went with supervision of at least one DM being present, Torm was asked by a paladin of Torm, who had recognition among players and the topic was about potentially disasteous things.

Someone murdering someone doesn't feel like a topic to disturb a god since that's what guards (aka police) here for- to investigate and find the truth. I guess you could have asked Tyr if you had any relation to Church, being familiar or even aiding it so you had good recognition and considered a valuable ally by them. Or being noble/wealthy enough to make Duke (or whatever authority you appeal to) start a public process upon request. I guess, asking a god would make sense if Duke was killed, but (in my point of view) adventurer killing adventurer is a job for flaming fists/another police-styled organization.

While i respect your attempts to clear your name of accusations you call false, i would advice discussing some less epic way to do it. That could be a good RP plot for hiring detectives to clear your name so when real killer is found, flaming fists stick it everywhere that "True murderer found, <PC name> is innocent". Having a DM posting that in RP section of forums would make totally same effect as a whole "Tyr" plot.

DM SummerBreeze wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:36 pm

Cinnamon wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:36 pm People have super mucked up what's going on, though. This is a trial by a god, they -need- to know the evidence, but ONLY the people who are directly channelling the god, as to not base the entire RP on rumour milling.

Which, by the way, I am VERY HAPPY with how mucked up people made this plotline, however that cannot have any play on dealing with a Direct God's Worship and their mechanics. As that would not be prim or proper.

EDIT: Metagaming in this context is to prevent godmoding of Tyr and his Follower's, because they cannot be led astray by misinformation and rumours.

gedweyignasia wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:25 pm

This is probably not the best approach. For other PCs, it's best to provide IC information, saving OOC information for DMs. I understand that it can be tempting to aid another player in gaining a fuller understanding of the situation, but this may fall under "metagaming", especially if their PC is expected to render judgment based on information which they did not obtain IC. It may be better to expect less of a "True" judgment and more of a subjective, fully IC judgment.

This assumed the god Tyr feels that this trial is worth their personal attention and answers the call when called upon. The spell that is used to do this is often not answered by the deity, or is answered as only a single answer to a question asked.

"Commune
Divination
Level: Clr 5
Components: V, S, M, DF, XP
Casting Time: 10 minutes
Range: Personal
Target: You
Duration: 1 round/level
You contact your deity—or agents thereof —and ask questions that can be answered by a simple yes or no. (A cleric of no particular deity contacts a philosophically allied deity.) You are allowed one such question per caster level. The answers given are correct within the limits of the entity’s knowledge. “Unclear” is a legitimate answer, because powerful beings of the Outer Planes are not necessarily omniscient. In cases where a one-word answer would be misleading or contrary to the deity’s interests, a short phrase (five words or less) may be given as an answer instead.

The spell, at best, provides information to aid character decisions. The entities contacted structure their answers to further their own purposes. If you lag, discuss the answers, or go off to do anything else, the spell ends."

It would be highly unlikely that Tyr would even know your character exists, let alone personally step in to judge your murder case.

I am aware, I am baselining based on what the player's want and how this Plotline would field their needs and wishes, once it was brought to me.

I haven't even researched anything yet, I am going solely off Celestia's word and word alone, nothing more.

Sorry for any confusion.

I am mostly deeming that the community will jump on a chance to perma-death Rae or otherwise reprimand her for many a days to come and lock her away somewhere, whatever. Point is, because of the high velocity at which people hate Rae, that a DM would just wind up fielding this anyway.

I assume much, because I know how things work around here, and can adequately field this sort of thing.

Ultimately, what happens in-game, has near-nothing to do with this Forum post. What happens, happens, I have done my job, and my job has left me satisfied with the presence of RP made in-game and what I will later archive, once the Tyr Meetings are finalised.

flipside43 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:07 pm Have you considered how this will work to not violate play your sheet and godmodding rules? I will admit, I am a little concerned though perhaps I am missing some spells from the cleric spellbook.

There are many spells in the game that contact Gods and do not need a DM to facilitate, you literally open the book, check it's perchantile chance of activation, then roll the dice accordingly. We do not need DMs at all. A High Priest can facilitate these things without needing the Guildmaster NPC.

We only have to report they were done.

Players can do a lot more than they think they can, even through worry or not. I do not have these worries, I do what I can based on the setting being DnD.

If DMs have an issue with that, they know where I am, and can come and tell me. Whether or not I would acknowledge the argument against, is another question entirely.

I do everything as per the nature of the Setting made for us, this server is ultimately using that lore, and cannot in good faith tell me to shut down books that are not their own content, there is a literal legal and lawful cause behind using Forgotten Realm's as Custom Content - One of those is policing what is and isn't in the original books and fielding complaints against their existence.

The DMs job description, on NWN2 or Tabletop, is to properly be aware of the license agreements we take.

I will not yield my stance on these spirits of playing the DnD game, as a overachieving fan, the Staff can ban me whenever this is an issue, so you know.

Morally speaking, that's on them and them alone, when they can justify I am just a nuisance. No complaint from me.

Edit:

Additionally, I am not here to be liked, to be thanked, to be considered anything more than the objective fact; I am a ROLE Player, I play a Role.

Whoever does that like the Role I play, frankly, tough cookies for them. Better learn how to drink some milk, for all of you who find me a problem area.

I am entitled to having an opinion, and one on source material, I am a human individual, shutting my initiative down and being horrible to me because of content I like or because of my opinions, is frankly immature.

I will leave it at that for now, as I do not one to seem jaded. I am, for everyone's sake, pretty autistic and only field things with a huge amount of medically diagnosed stress and anxiety fuelling it at every waking second.

Take a time out of your day to show some compassion for me, and I will show you the world of rainbows and lore you all crave to experience in a wild fashion.

You will also find, if you pay attention, the people who don't like me, are people who I have claimed to refuse my services and my time for, as they are not worth the time I take, as they are entitled and petty little monsters who are never entitled to my hard work or my time.

And I'll point it out for everyone:

You know who you are and the OOC drama you enjoy. I have refused my service to you and you have taken that as a sleight worth banding people against me. You're a horrible person and a fundamentally corrupt Adult or Non-Adult.

I am saying this now because I have genuinely lost sleep, tears and months of my life being depressed over the monkey feces some of you think you're entitled to throw my way. You're allowed to not like me, but you're fundamentally not allowed to try and swindle me into a mental breakdown because of your childish notions.

And before anyone says it, I have taken breaks, many months of breaks here and there, you'll notice when I have gone, and I left because I was being vehemently bullied. And those of you who did this, should rightfully not be considered good or faithful players of DnD, to ostracise me over a character or opinion is wildly insane to me, I've never done the same, I have only refused service or my time because the player, as much as the Staff have even agreed, were just not someone who could be played with actively.

End.

I am aware, I am baselining based on what the player's want and how this Plotline would field their needs and wishes, once it was brought to me.

I haven't even researched anything yet, I am going solely off Celestia's word and word alone, nothing more.

Sorry for any confusion.

I am mostly deeming that the community will jump on a chance to perma-death Rae or otherwise reprimand her for many a days to come and lock her away somewhere, whatever. Point is, because of the high velocity at which people hate Rae, that a DM would just wind up fielding this anyway.

I assume much, because I know how things work around here, and can adequately field this sort of thing.

Ultimately, what happens in-game, has near-nothing to do with this Forum post. What happens, happens, I have done my job, and my job has left me satisfied with the presence of RP made in-game and what I will later archive, once the Tyr Meetings are finalised.

What exactly is the plotline that the players want so much? I do not know who Rae is, or why everyone would want to kill them. Maybe a player outside of my timezone or something. But the general feeling of this thread points to most players feeling that this isn't something that makes a lot of sense for an event that involves a deity, and is better handled by local law enforcement, and I am inclined to agree. An HDM is free to override me on this of course, but I don't feel like as a general thing this is worth dedicating limited DM resources toward unless more dedicated player RP is pushed forward, and a formal request is put forward, with the entire group of players involved named that you are saying that want this really badly.

There are many spells in the game that contact Gods and do not need a DM to facilitate, you literally open the book, check it's perchantile chance of activation, then roll the dice accordingly. We do not need DMs at all. A High Priest can facilitate these things without needing the Guildmaster NPC.

We only have to report they were done.

Also despite your statement above, contacting a god and being successful would indeed require a DM to approve it, and doing it on your own without DM approval would most certainly be considered godmodding. Unless I am misunderstanding something here, which is entirely possible.

And I'll point it out for everyone:

You know who you are and the OOC drama you enjoy. I have refused my service to you and you have taken that as a sleight worth banding people against me. You're a horrible person and a fundamentally corrupt Adult or Non-Adult.

I am saying this now because I have genuinely lost sleep, tears and months of my life being depressed over the monkey feces some of you think you're entitled to throw my way. You're allowed to not like me, but you're fundamentally not allowed to try and swindle me into a mental breakdown because of your childish notions.

Please try not to instigate or call out other players publicly on the forums. If there is an issue, please come talk to the DM team. We are here to help with this stuff, and if you are being harassed we actually do want to know about it.

DM SummerBreeze wrote: ↑Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:36 pm
What exactly is the plotline that the players want so much? I do not know who Rae is, or why everyone would want to kill them. Maybe a player outside of my timezone or something. But the general feeling of this thread points to most players feeling that this isn't something that makes a lot of sense for an event that involves a deity, and is better handled by local law enforcement, and I am inclined to agree. An HDM is free to override me on this of course, but I don't feel like as a general thing this is worth dedicating limited DM resources toward unless more dedicated player RP is pushed forward, and a formal request is put forward, with the entire group of players involved named that you are saying that want this really badly.

Also despite your statement above, contacting a god and being successful would indeed require a DM to approve it, and doing it on your own without DM approval would most certainly be considered godmodding.

Stunrae = Cinnamon in Draconic / Yypyak. She was always called this, I just replaced the name because it's been causing lots of issues.

I never intended for her to be called Cinnamon literally, her name isn't important, though.

As for Rae, she's always been conflict heavy and many people have taken OOC gripe to that, just because I have separate opinions that may or may not support the character's behaviour, but that's on them. Rae drills everybody and I do it in good faith, not harassment or issue. It comes with the padded benefits of lore recognition, but ignites the fires of conflict and everyone just wanting her dead.

For the North, no f*ing idea. They have no grounds for any of the conflict attacks they've made on me in or out of the game.

For the Coast, they're allowed. She's a Demon Summoner, a Pact maker, a Thaumaturge who deters on the balance of Good or Evil (currently Chaotic Neutral who is likely close to a Neutral Evil or Chaotic Evil moment)

And no, contacting a god as per the spells in the game that do not describe DM approval (such as Wards where it does), is not godmoding.


You're allowed your opinion but it just isn't godmoding unless explicitly described.

When I say contacting a God, I never meant you are literally speaking through them, where they possess or guide you, which is a DM Event.

You can do this entire RP based off of a god damn Augury lmao. Which makes it BETTER rather than having a flat-out DM argument in-house about whose gonna put up with the problem areas.

Please try not to instigate or call out other players publicly on the forums. If there is an issue, please come talk to the DM team. We are here to help with this stuff, and if you are being harassed we actually do want to know about it.

Didn't instigate, I am clarifying public record for everyone who has been instigating, and I have messaged the Staff, to currently no avail over this full year.
Zann has even bashed me for writing too many messages to Staff, which a lot of them are in fact, complaints about the issue at hand.

So go figure.

Edit:

Additionally, yeah I'm pretty much a hardcore elitist. But I do so with the idea of accomodating people, and I won't accommodate people who assume or read into what I'm writing or don't acknowledge I can't properly clarify my ideas to the World at large, I'm f*king Autistic, it's part of the issue. But nobody wants to field that as a care, to be honest. People just want to be cold to "avoid drama", when that coldness ignores my problem areas and focuses on them as real issues which just... Honestly go away? It's annoying. I'm allowed to be flawed and make mistakes whilst trying my hardest to be as meticulous and perfectionistic as possible.


The constant idea I have to acknowledge anybody when I am reading the books during discussions is also a universal problem.

I am quoting the damn books, I literally outrank opinion based jargon when I do this, in the flesh, in real time. I will tell people when "IIRC this might be it - IIRC might be the case, bit of an ad-lib - IIIRC I haven't read the book in a while.

ALSO ALSO ALSO

Just because I tell someone their opinion or understanding of book content is wrong DOESNT MEAN I HATE YOU OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT.

I CANNOT know what liberties you have taken or become indoctrinated by!!! I can't accommodate things that outside of the books discretion!!!

BUT BUT BUT I do TRY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY hard to accomodate these fabricated realities, because they're NEW AND INTERESTING AND I LOVE NEW AND INTERESTING THINGS, like girlies, the books get damn boring when you snort them like cocaine on a daily.

Another Edit:

Just look at how the COMMUNITY treats Salim, an AMAZING CHARACTER, who admittedly speaks a bit too leniently on Far Realms Content, but HE'S REALLY COOL AND I LOVE THE PLAYER FOR THEIR CONSTANT ON-THE-DIME RESPONSE TO ANY FIELDED IDEA.

It helps me work on Rae a lot when I'm not nearly as caught up as they are, as I can't go reading content that is sparingly applicable for BGTSCC.


Another ediiiiit:

And yes, a lot of the things I do are admittedly just being a DM without the title on this server. And so what? I'm not allowed to learn how to be a player and know what I know at the same time? It's gonna take me a long time BUT BGTSCC clearly documents my growth as a person, how I do not break rules as often and only rules I do break we all agree as a party were for betterment of the story, and thus not punishable by Staff.

PG13 means to moderate your content, it's only a rule break when you clarify you are not comfortable and thus moderated the content before you as not suitable.

Locking. Will follow up in PMs.