Rad-Icarus wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:50 am
Józef Taktyka wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 3:18 am
C'mon, are we really going to have this conversation here? It adds nothing to the server, does not benefit the players RP or gameplay in any way and just causes stir. It's basically pointless. If you want to make a change, contact Wizards of the Coast or something. Let's just play and leave this for the real world.
Another post suggesting we keep our opinions to ourselves lest we upset the status quo.
Not sure why this has caused so much upset, I mean no one thinks this is going to lead to any changes. Examining the media you enjoy can actually be quite interesting if you aren't afraid of having your perceptions challenged from time to time.
I don't think there's anything more to say on this, and no one has really posted a substantive reply in some time. I appreciate the few that did present counter-theories, but it's kind of degenerated into a grievance thread now.
By the form and fact choice you wrote this post, it's something i consider a "smear campaign" against ToT lore creator rather then discussion. Don't take me like staff or whatever. As i person, the whole post sounds fishy intended play of words to make a parallel of "Torm rezd, Mystra not rezd, misoginy and patriarchism" in reader's mind. It's not a discussion, it's an attempt to plant your vision into other's mind.
As number of people including me gave you counter facts about that particular lore episode and you just keep telling ungrounded accusation on tense RL topic against fantasy world creators. In real life, i'd consider that being a slander which is subject to law case if target feels it undermines their reputation. And we have a lot of that shit in real life, just take Johnny Depp losing most of his contracts because of accusations which weren't proven. He lost a lot way before any court session was even held. But we are on anonymous forums and all i can do is straight telling that the way you worded your concerns and the amount of proof you provided is offensive and clearly too narrow to firmly make deductions you made.
Also, "status quo" is several very simple things:
1) Don't throw accusations, especially unproven ones.
2) Be polite.
3) Discuss people ideas and not people themselves.
Sure, it's not written, but it's a common human discourse that is applicable in almost any society and internet societies are not much different unless they specifically state what is right and what is wrong in their forums.
As long as people discuss things in polite and constructive fashion (without "oh be so kind and stuff, just lack of offense and insults"), moderators, in most cases, don't do anything to stop it and you can see it numerous times and numerous debates over forums where people had very different ideas but managed to give them in civil, polite and constructive way, debating about details, understandings of such details, lore/mechanics citations and so on.
As a clear example of this, you can read our famous "ban/not ban elixirs" topics which has it all there: drama, offense, constructive discussions mixed with accusations and check what exact posts got warnings.
In my opinion and vision, very first post of yours and thread name itself are already written in such a shape that "Lore writers are chauvinists and male-supremacists cause female goddess didn't get auto-resurrected after ToT". A good example of lore critics to some extent was introduced in same thread by
Asuraking. They don't call something out "cringe, patriatchy and misoginy" without proofs and just share their opinion on clear logical gap in Ao's lore where actions made contradict the reasoning for such actions. There are more well-shared opinions, but i took that one as it's the most obvious example in my view.
Everyone is free to express their opinion, but you can claim X being Y only when you have 200% proof is what you say and you give proof for your opinion, otherwise it's gossips and smear campaign. And even then, you still need to think twice whether you should put labels on someone.
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