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Re: Deflection AC on gloves/bracers does not transfer to Shapechange forms
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2025 2:19 pm
by Ewe
That's possible, but I can't say for sure. There are no formal requirements for the system, so I can't treat it as a clear bug. We'd need the admin to define the intended rules before making changes.
If it were up to me, I wouldn't merge anything. I'd just treat those bonuses as scaling with character level automatically.
The current merging logic for items and feats isn't based on SRD and ends up being extremely confusing. It takes a full page of exceptions and edge cases to explain, and it's easily one of the most unintuitive systems in the game. The code behind it is as equally confusing and difficult to maintain.
Re: Deflection AC on gloves/bracers does not transfer to Shapechange forms
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2025 2:32 pm
by Steve
Ewe wrote: ↑Fri Aug 15, 2025 2:19 pm
That's possible, but I can't say for sure. There are no formal requirements for the system, so I can't treat it as a clear bug. We'd need the admin to define the intended rules before making changes.
If it were up to me, I wouldn't merge anything. I'd just treat those bonuses as scaling with character level automatically.
The current merging logic for items and feats isn't based on SRD and ends up being extremely confusing. It takes a full page of exceptions and edge cases to explain, and it's easily one of the most unintuitive systems in the game. The code behind it is as equally confusing and difficult to maintain.
Unfortunately, as I’ve been told many times in the past by different admins, the Polymorph/Shapechange forms are all balanced to what can and cannot merge, so…to take away all merging properties would require rebalancing all forms. And that’s a lot of work.
Re: Deflection AC on gloves/bracers does not transfer to Shapechange forms
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2025 3:56 pm
by DiceyCZ
Ewe wrote: ↑Fri Aug 15, 2025 1:15 pm
How does the bracer have deflection AC? It's only supposed to have armor AC.
Either case, I agree with you, and it looks like we must have some kind of mods from vanilla then that allow this. But it's not how nwn base works.
The whole polymorph/shapechange system has been remade and custom made for thhe server some 7 years ago, so yes, of course we have it modded...
Re: Deflection AC on gloves/bracers does not transfer to Shapechange forms
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2025 4:21 pm
by Ewe
Dicey that doesn't really add anything to the conversation, but thank you.
I'll check with Goat and see if this is an oversight or as designed and let you know Steve.
Re: Deflection AC on gloves/bracers does not transfer to Shapechange forms
Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2025 5:06 pm
by Steve
Ewe wrote: ↑Fri Aug 15, 2025 4:21 pm
Dicey that doesn't really add anything to the conversation, but thank you.
I'll check with Goat and see if this is an oversight or as designed and let you know Steve.
Cheers!