Grand Trade Wagon of the Goldhands - Baldur's Gate

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Draviir looks on ... "And what about my bids Master Dwarf?"
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The blue robed elf concurs with other grumbling buyers.

"This is usually why I avoid the Goldhands: selective acknowledgement of bids, for mine too seems to have bypassed his hearing. If it weren't for the high quality goods I would never come here. It has been more than two days, Mr Goldhands. Was my bid for that cloak enough, or not?"
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"I do understand the logic behind the gold offers, but in most of your cases it falls short. Considering that it's very doubtful that you yourselves would agree to the proposed trade if the roles were reversed, it casts a dark shadow over the offers. I'm a merchant, dealing with any worthwhile items, seeking a profit. Most of the proposed trades offers me a loss, I'm afraid. You would have to step up your offers before they can be taken with consideration".
/// This was a general statement on all the bids, but...fine, I'll respond to everyone.

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matelener wrote:A man of fine garments that introduced himself as Damian approached the wagon gaily.

"My, my... So many wonders in one place!" He crowed with delight.

"500 bags for the gloves I bid." // 500k on+4 EB +2 divine gloves
"You're out on the premise that another prospective buyer offered an item in trade as well as gold. This is a lower bid than the one you sought to trump"

AC81 wrote:Draviir stops by the stall, hearing of all the quality items on display ... "Well, well, well. Now this is more like it!" His eyes stop on two or three items in particular. "Good dwarf, that shortsword and that warhammer. I'll offer 1.5 million and 750 bags respectively! How does that sound?" He awaits the dwarf's response...

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1.5 million bid on the shortsword EB+3, Hide+5, MS+4,Cold+1d4
750k bid on the warhammer EB+4, Fire+1d4, Str+3, Heal+4
"I would be foolhardy to accept the bids without being able to restock my supply in some form from the trades themselves. I can mkake exceptions sometimes, but in this case it's a losing proposition for me. I cannot use that gold to get equitable items anywhere else".

Thids wrote:A one-eyed man clad in dark-tinted plate approaches the wagon. His gaze sweeps over the various wares displayed, taking note of some and showing little interest for others. His eye finally fixes on one of the rings. He leans over it inspecting it some more, then turns to one of the dwarves holding up four fingers.


"Forty tradebars for the ring."


//40k for Ring +2 CON, +2 DEX, Toughness
"Raise that to 100.000, and you've a bid worth noting good Sir"

Tsidkenu wrote:Priestess Aeili, having recently returned to Baldur's Gate, notices that the Goldhands has another fine cloak for sale.

"Mm, delightful fabric and exquisite enchantment work. I should wonder if it will sell for as much as the last one did. I should like to set forth an initial offer of 750,000 gold pieces, or their equivalent in trade bars kept at the First Bank of Baldur's Gate."


"I can't replace the item with just gold, that way I get no sure footing to stand on for future trades. This is especially so with the very high end items that I possess, such as this cloak. I suppose I can sometimes make an exception if the gold bid is substantially higher than the item's value, but currently it's not at an equal level. I think I owe you a minor favor for a previous trade, but still, that can only go so far lass".


spyvsspy wrote:Eucliwood learned the new list carefully and then left a note

[80k for the belt]

//80k for the belt +3wis and bonus cleric spell slot 2&3


"That's not a bid I can accept Sir. It's way below it's value, considering the rarity of the combination and it's item type. It's worth at least five times that"


sweetlikesplenda wrote:Aaron approaches the goods and examines each carefully, considering his needs. Placing the ring back down, he would make an offer. "I would offer one hundred fifty thousand gold for the ring, if that is acceptable."

/// Ring 10% Cold Immunity, Bonus Feat: Dodge, Bonus Feat: Improved Initiative, Bonus Feat: Lightning Reflexes


"I've seen rings like these sold for 350k previously, good Sir. I would not undersell it"

matelener wrote:
LISA100595 wrote:*Matilda bids on the Dwarven Waraxe in a booming voice*

350,000 for that there axe lad

(( Dwarven Waraxe +4 EB, +2 vs acid, +2 vs poison, D6 Acid damage



"I will double that! 700 bags!" Damian breaks in.


"Given it's rarity I would expect a better bid for this weapon, lad. It's just not on par to cover it's value or the expenses to recover my item stock".

NCrawler wrote:I have come into possession of an extremely rare armor set and would like to discuss some trades. The armor in question is Rogues Oiled Leathers, Epic (ac+4,hide+4,move silently+4). I still want to trade the amulet and I'd like to know what value you would place on this armor set.


"As indicated earlier, I do not place a high value on it. It looks considerably difficult to trade to anyone but a druid, and at best that equals 40-50.000 goldcoins".


Bad Omens wrote:"Oi, where ye be findin such a fine weapon!?!?", a stout and grubby looking shield dwarf asks while picking up the flail without asking. "Tell ye whot.....I'll be given ye...10 bags fer it...", he says with a keen eye watching the trader for a response.

// 100,000 for the Flail


"No deal Sir, that's way under it's value. I'm sorry".


Druehan wrote:*A blond haired man steps forward*

My name is Kol'ang and I see you have a couple of fine spears for offer. I would like to make a couple of bids on them. I will offer 100 bags on this one and 50 on the other. Does this sound acceptable?
//50k Spear Alchemical Silver, extra damage bludgeoning


"You would need to triple that to even equal it's value, good Sir"

MistyMountain wrote:Kajan regards the blond haired man for a moment.

"120 bags on the spear"

//120k spear vamp regen +3


"It's a rare exotic piece of weaponry. I cannot accept that offer, it's not far from robbery!"

NCrawler wrote: No, you did not understand. I want to trade my amulet (+4 AC, Armor Bonus vs Neutral +1) plus 100 bags for that one there (+4 AC, +3 HP, +4 Open Lock).


"Yes, it's not a trade I can accept. I've a prospective buyer for that particular amulet, and he would offer me more than a replacement of slightly lower value and gold. You would need to find something else to trade for it to match him"

Steve wrote: Jon Smythe addresses the dwarf-that-is-speaking-of-the-two, in reply:

"One can never have enough, as it seems...correct?" says Smythe, implying something...or not. "But if you wish to conclude this deal, then I can adjust to my coin offer by showing you this..." Smythe unveils to the dwarf an exotic blade of nearly unsurpassed beauty, so much so that by grasping its hilt, the wielder is granted a finer countenance, even a strength of personality unknown, previously.

"I do think that you, merchant of stoutness, can appreciate its ore qualities, its balance, its poise. It is ancient, bearing divine beauty forged from energy held within the clouds, such that it grants an immunity to shock. It is so fine, indeed...that would I add this to my offer for the scimitar, you will understand that I would lower the coin offered. Does this item hold value with you?"

Smythe watches closely the face of the dwarf, to see if he is skilled to even appraise such an item in its rarity, or will Smythe have to impart his own knowledge to the dwarf.


"I would value your sword to 10.000 goldpieces Sir. It's not of the quality that I usually deal with. I would try another merchant to exchange it at."

duracele wrote:200 bags and boots dodge 4 for the plain +4 nat amu.
200 bags for the all saves amu.


"The two items are acceptable. The ring is worth at least double to the offer you gave, and even so, that's barely on equal terms".

dontimes wrote:A tall man clad in black armour approaches with his eyes set on the Morningstar.
"I will offer you 50 bags for this weapon."


"It's too low of a bid, good Sir. You would need to raise the bid considerably for me to look at it again".
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Tad responds:

"Good to hear from you at last, honored dwarfs.

I would raise a bid on the necklace I was interested in to 250 bags

To make my offer on the gloves more convincing and considering you sound more interested in items, then gold, I would give more generous offer. It would be the same Shocking Longsword EB+4, +1d4 Electric plus pair of a bit worn epic Gloves with EB+4 and Attack +4 on them. I reckon you would be able to make profit from it, and I'll get what I need.

I'm still waitin' to hear your answer, revered dwarf, on an offer to trade mine fine suit of Fullplate +4 for your with the same tier enchantment and piercing and slashing 10% immunities, with me adding 200 bags of gold.

The same goes about trading my suit of clothing for you pair of boots

And about trading belt I got which enhances charisma by 4 degrees for equally enchanted Wisdom item. Giving popularity of certain professions, I reckon you would be able to find a good and generous user for it.

I would also ask which bid on a cloak of fortification tier three you would consider acceptable. Maybe a fine Epic Sling of Stealth would be good trade?"
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Jon Smythe listens closely as the dwarf—one of the two, it would seem— addresses the bidders, one by one. A mix of facial responses can be seen upon Smythe...from curiosity to doubt.

When the dwarf—such that one or the other takes to addressing him—responds to Smythe, the half-elf is taken slightly taken aback.

Smythe responds immediately in the Dwarven tongue, somewhat unpracticed and not fluid, but easily and correctly understood.


"It would seem, clansmen, that your skill at appraisal has dulled, to say the least. Such that, when you spoke to the one-eyed man clad in dark-tinted plate, asking such an amount of 100,000 coin for a ring that is, with regularity, seen at the consignment stall, for half. I have seen it myself! And more than once.

And...that you look upon this blade of exotic nature, holding two enchantments, exceptional to the swordsman that would feint and attack with great skill, and dismiss it with such an amount, doubly calls into question what you do consider valuable...beyond your own treasures.

Avarice has not been kind to your race history shows, and is it that your clan embodies such charac..."

Smythe stops here, pauses his statement before it is said, then begins again.

"If you wish to keep your hands in gold, then you have my bid in the ore of your namesake. Do with it as you will."

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Karond wrote:
NCrawler wrote:I have come into possession of an extremely rare armor set and would like to discuss some trades. The armor in question is Rogues Oiled Leathers, Epic (ac+4,hide+4,move silently+4). I still want to trade the amulet and I'd like to know what value you would place on this armor set.
"As indicated earlier, I do not place a high value on it. It looks considerably difficult to trade to anyone but a druid, and at best that equals 40-50.000 goldcoins".
For someone that considers themselves an expert in items, this is laughable. A Druid? That's fine, I'll trade it to someone else.
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Maverick 40 wrote:A slender figure dressed in black steps toward the trading table. He invariably keeps his face shrouded by the cowl he is wearing but when he reaches the wizards amulet his head gives a slight tilt toward the dwarf. He pulls out a small silk bag filled with the most beautiful and rare gems, spreading them on the table and pointing toward amulet.

// 100,000 gold for the Wizard's Amulet, payment may be made in gems, if so required.
"That offer is several times lower than what I got it for. I'm not unreasonable, but I do need to turn a profit on the trades themselves or I would not make them. Any items of some note are acceptable, even preferable as it means less time spent restocking, or substantial amounts of gold to cover that cost as well as the item's actual worth."
The slender figure's eye tightens as he watches the dwarf for a moment before pulling back his cloak, taking a jeweled dagger from his belt. Then he removes one of his gloves, revealing a scarred hand for which he removes a ruby ring. Placing both items on the table, he awaits the dwarfs response.

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"Then 100 bags..."
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sweetlikesplenda wrote:Aaron approaches the goods and examines each carefully, considering his needs. Placing the ring back down, he would make an offer. "I would offer one hundred fifty thousand gold for the ring, if that is acceptable."

/// Ring 10% Cold Immunity, Bonus Feat: Dodge, Bonus Feat: Improved Initiative, Bonus Feat: Lightning Reflexes
"I've seen rings like these sold for 350k previously, good Sir. I would not undersell it"

After a thoughtful moment, the Knight would reply. "I will up my offer to three hundred seventy five thousand, then. to ensure the bid is greater than what you mentioned you have seen it sell for."

/// 375,000 gold, Ring 10% Cold Immunity, Bonus Feat: Dodge, Bonus Feat: Improved Initiative, Bonus Feat: Lightning Reflexes
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Karond wrote:"I can't replace the item with just gold, that way I get no sure footing to stand on for future trades. This is especially so with the very high end items that I possess, such as this cloak. I suppose I can sometimes make an exception if the gold bid is substantially higher than the item's value, but currently it's not at an equal level. I think I owe you a minor favor for a previous trade, but still, that can only go so far lass".
"Thank you for the concise clarification, Mr. Goldhands. I do believe I may have something of interest, in fact it is on my very person as we speak," she replies politely with an appreciative nod and removes the clasp about her own cloak and holds the fabric out for him to examine.

"Now I'm not entirely sure how to value this, but given the magical qualities of the one I wish to obtain I should gladly trade it alongside my original offer of 750,000 gold pieces. What do you say?"

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An elf passing by inspect the new wares and notice an item with the enchantment he was looking for.

'Hello sir dwarf, my name is Kaljefa the wizard. This is a fine collection you have there and I would like to offer you one million gold coins and a high quality item of my own collection for this fine cloak! Lets see... it could be maybe that chef d'oeuvre bastard sword named Discord! I would use myself if I was not that much into the arcanes... Anyway what do you say? If you are not looking for weapon I have much more items you might like.'

/// cloak +4 intel for 1 000 000 gold + bastard sword Discord(+3 EB, 1d4 sonic damage, on hit:Confusion DC 14 50% / 2 rounds. Have also other kind of items if your looking for something else.

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Shad wrote:It would be the same Shocking Longsword EB+4, +1d4 Electric plus pair of a bit worn epic Gloves with EB+4 and Attack +4 on them. I reckon you would be able to make profit from it, and I'll get what I need.
"I can definitely trade the longswords onwards, but the gloves I cannot. I would rather see a trade not involving them at all. As for your proposed armor trade, I never do such trades. If I trade one item for a near identical one but worse, I lose the edge the original item had to begin with for virtually no gain. I'm looking for any other trade that equals it in value, not such trades Sir. The clothing has little value to me. It's virtually the same value as the robe I already put up for trade. Your belt has value, but you've already put forth that you're not trading it for anything of these things that you want.

The sling is also very difficult to trade onwards for me, and as such I would not value it highly at all."


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Steve wrote: Smythe responds immediately in the Dwarven tongue, somewhat unpracticed and not fluid, but easily and correctly understood.[/i]

"It would seem, clansmen, that your skill at appraisal has dulled, to say the least. Such that, when you spoke to the one-eyed man clad in dark-tinted plate, asking such an amount of 100,000 coin for a ring that is, with regularity, seen at the consignment stall, for half. I have seen it myself! And more than once.

And...that you look upon this blade of exotic nature, holding two enchantments, exceptional to the swordsman that would feint and attack with great skill, and dismiss it with such an amount, doubly calls into question what you do consider valuable...beyond your own treasures.
"It's a misleading weapon, Sir. It lacks much value, even the original 15.000 suggestion is generous. Find someone who overvalues it's shine and luster but not it's effectiveness, and trade it on to them if my evaluation of it is not to your liking. I'm just brutally honest"

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"I'll take it under consideration, but it's not an ideal trade for me. I've sold numerous rings of sorcerous power, which are better than your ring, for a mere 70.000. As such my evaluation of these items are bound to be somewhat low."
sweetlikesplenda wrote: After a thoughtful moment, the Knight would reply. "I will up my offer to three hundred seventy five thousand, then. to ensure the bid is greater than what you mentioned you have seen it sell for."
"Deal"
dontimes wrote:"Then 100 bags..."
the man says in response to his bid on the morning star
"You're still far off target Sir. I cannot sell it at that price. I'm looking for a bid in the region of five times that"
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Karond wrote:"I can't replace the item with just gold, that way I get no sure footing to stand on for future trades. This is especially so with the very high end items that I possess, such as this cloak. I suppose I can sometimes make an exception if the gold bid is substantially higher than the item's value, but currently it's not at an equal level. I think I owe you a minor favor for a previous trade, but still, that can only go so far lass".
"Thank you for the concise clarification, Mr. Goldhands. I do believe I may have something of interest, in fact it is on my very person as we speak," she replies politely with an appreciative nod and removes the clasp about her own cloak and holds the fabric out for him to examine.

"Now I'm not entirely sure how to value this, but given the magical qualities of the one I wish to obtain I should gladly trade it alongside my original offer of 750,000 gold pieces. What do you say?"
"You've a deal lass. 48 hours and it's yours."
Jefa wrote:An elf passing by inspect the new wares and notice an item with the enchantment he was looking for.

'Hello sir dwarf, my name is Kaljefa the wizard. This is a fine collection you have there and I would like to offer you one million gold coins and a high quality item of my own collection for this fine cloak! Lets see... it could be maybe that chef d'oeuvre bastard sword named Discord! I would use myself if I was not that much into the arcanes... Anyway what do you say? If you are not looking for weapon I have much more items you might like.'
"Welcome Sir. Another elf has outbid you on that particular item. You would have to up your bid to be able to trump her, or the item is traded in 48 hours"
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Karond wrote:
AC81 wrote:Draviir stops by the stall, hearing of all the quality items on display ... "Well, well, well. Now this is more like it!" His eyes stop on two or three items in particular. "Good dwarf, that shortsword and that warhammer. I'll offer 1.5 million and 750 bags respectively! How does that sound?" He awaits the dwarf's response...

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1.5 million bid on the shortsword EB+3, Hide+5, MS+4,Cold+1d4
750k bid on the warhammer EB+4, Fire+1d4, Str+3, Heal+4
"I would be foolhardy to accept the bids without being able to restock my supply in some form from the trades themselves. I can mkake exceptions sometimes, but in this case it's a losing proposition for me. I cannot use that gold to get equitable items anywhere else".
"Hmm ... A disappointing answer. You've said you accept gold, yet do not appear to want it. Two and a quarter million is no trifling sum, so I assume it is not gold you are after, despite your claims. If you will accept gold, then by all means, tell me how much is adequate."
He pauses a moment before adding, "I do have this fine belt and ring, however I believe they are worth more than your two items ..." Draviir holds out the belt and ring so that only Karond can see them. "What do you think?"

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PM sent with details of ring and belt.
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"Those would be acceptable to trade, yes. However, it puts me into a predicament as they're slightly more valuable combined than the two items you desire. I'm a fair merchant, and I' would look for how to make the deal as fair as possible"
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Caelin wrote:
"It's not an equitable trade. The gold is not making up the difference, and even if it could, it's trading a much better item for a lesser one"
"Well now, given the similarities between the two, I'd say that's a bit harsh lad. Depends how much you value the spell on the Battleaxe I suppose, but to say the hammer is much better... well I reckon it's a little better.

But, I'm not one for axes myself, so if you wanted to take the axe in trade for the hammer and some gold, how much would you want?"
The man waits patiently, then upon seeing a small break in the hustle and bustle he speaks up.

"Clear as day you're busy lad, but I'd like to work something out. If the offer of gold and the axe means nothing to ye, I've other things to trade instead. Or perhaps you'd give me a flat gold price on the hammer. If not then here's some gloves you might have an interest in. Tell me what it'll take so we can make a deal or get on. Items, gold..."

With that he shows the merchant a pair of gloves:

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