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Re: NEXT UPDATE : Black Flame Zealot changes

Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 10:58 pm
by The Whistler
Can't we just rename the class to simply 'Zealot' ?

Re: NEXT UPDATE : Black Flame Zealot changes

Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 11:34 pm
by Deathgrowl
Auril Zealot throwing about fire stuff.

Personally, I'd prefer it was Kossuth-only, as that is what Unapproachable East says (which means it takes a special place in Forgotten Realms, as indeed even Complete Divine points to).

Re: NEXT UPDATE : Black Flame Zealot changes

Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 11:57 pm
by The Whistler
Let's be real here, even after the changes this class will hardly be powerful enough to opt in only for mechanical reasons. It is however, the closest thing to a divine sneak archetype this server has.

If you wonder why you don't see (m)any maskarran or vhaeraunite clerics running around, it isn't because the gods advocate secrecy. It's because their current class options are atrocious.

Re: NEXT UPDATE : Black Flame Zealot changes

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 12:27 am
by K'yon Oblodra
What's so terrible about it? 8/10 progression, SA progression, fear immunity, elemental damage and a couple of dimension door uses doesn't seem so terrible.

Re: COMING SOON : Harper Scout

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 12:53 am
by Kiran
Quick question.

Since it adds 2 favoured enemies.

With a Cavalier build would that then mean 7 favoured enemies + +7 dmg and ab to those?

Re: NEXT UPDATE : Black Flame Zealot changes

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 1:27 am
by Blackman D
Planehopper wrote:Sho Nuff! Sorry, a fiery fisted monk had to have it ((and I also hope that non-americans have watched the movie and understand the reference))
bruce leeroy?! catchin bullets with his teeth?! n please :P

Re: NEXT UPDATE : Black Flame Zealot changes

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 1:35 am
by The Whistler
K'yon Oblodra wrote:What's so terrible about it? 8/10 progression, SA progression, fear immunity, elemental damage and a couple of dimension door uses doesn't seem so terrible.
I never said it was ? In its current incarnation it is rather terrible, though.

Re: NEXT UPDATE : Black Flame Zealot changes

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 1:53 am
by K'yon Oblodra
Okay sorry clearly misunderstood you there ;)

Re: NEXT UPDATE : Cavestalker changes

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 2:18 am
by Astegard
mrm3ntalist wrote: Sun May 28, 2017 10:12 pm - Full caster progression only for rangers and druids.
- Full Animal companion progression
- Increase wildshape uses but change the dragon shape feat to require 27 levels of Druid. Cavestalker does not give access to druid wildshape forms.
Sounds great!

Re: NEXT UPDATE : Cavestalker changes

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 3:47 am
by Tsidkenu
These are some really good changes. I might bring back my svirf cavestalker druid if that's the case, especially now that there's Rockrun for svirf RP (+ easy access to Kraak Helzak now!)

Re: COMING SOON : Harper Scout

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 4:32 am
by Valefort
Favored enemy doesn't give an AB bonus, but damage yes.

Re: NEXT UPDATE : Cavestalker changes

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 4:57 am
by Steve
Wow. These are really powerful changes. I can't complain—as we say—because I play a Svirf Druid/cavestalker, but it's worthy to point out that, there is only benefits to taking Cavestalker in the UD!

Re: NEXT UPDATE : Black Flame Zealot changes

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 5:40 am
by Steve
The Whistler wrote:Let's be real here, even after the changes this class will hardly be powerful enough to opt in only for mechanical reasons.
I think a Favored Soul 16 / Blackguard 4 / BFZ 10 has good mechanics, 28 CL, and some interesting RP to explore! ;)

Re: NEXT UPDATE : Cavestalker changes

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 7:36 am
by freekender
Great change! :D

Re: COMING SOON : Harper Scout

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 7:38 am
by freekender
Looks awesome! :D

Only a doubt come to my mind... A 25 X / 5 HS would cast a 5 CL Heroism spell or a 30 CL one? And would be subject of ASF?