3 by 20

[Mallore]

Chad.


Your absolutely okay and fine. ! Not once I find anything offensive or harsh or anything. My skin can be iron. .

I also know QC argues from mechanics. It is super appreciated to. I just want to throw reminders of the other side of the game. Just this time it was also in my benifit.

Thanks though!

[NegInfinity]

Hell if you want a real build challanges that is what world of Warcraft is for.

I highly doubt that WoW build complexity is even remotely close to what D&D offers with multiclassing.

I see a lot of conversation about builds. Challanges of builds. The creativity of build. Though I thought this server was labeled RP not pve.

Also, justifying your class choices via RP and making character consistent is part of the game.

On unrelated note:

Actually it was brought up on Skype during our event last night.

I hope you weren't chatting on skype while playing a character on the server. I had a "pleasure" of briefly accompanying two people who were chatting via skype while playing (and I wasn't part of that skype chat), the experience was extremely unpleasant. It is like playing with a bot in a party.

Would be nice to forbid ooc chats like that in server rules, as metagaming. But that's just my opinion.

[Storm Munin]

@Mallore
The diversity of build options here are the side perk to the rp.
World of warcraft offers nothing in comparison what can be built here, all in the name of the character concept thus rp.
Since we do play our sheet.

Yet, I agree with some of what you are saying due to the increasing amounts of wants of boosting this or that class because the OP (generally) doesnt think it is awesome enough as is.
Usually said OP tend to disregard how some of the class features already in the class synergize very well with other classes.

Of course, some players of that view also tend to demand nerfing of other classes that they dislike for whatever reason.


Perhaps the best approach would be to give all classes a sneak dice every 3 levels, full caster progression and a feat every second level.

That should be fair enough, well for maybe ten hours before someone disapprove of someone else's build and calls for a vote?


As for the 3 by 20 the very existence of the RCR tool make it irrelevant (until a DM has bothered to check your build plan).
It is there however because past staff decisions deemed it the wiser approach to try to keep things somewhat balanced and avoid some far out min maxing.
The past year has killed a quite few old darlings, perhaps 2 by 30 is one of them.

While 3 by 30 will allow for a more creative build plan based on things like what happens to a toon ingame, it also opens up for even more min maxing.
In all fairness to roleplay we might not want it both ways just because one reason are deemed valid.

For the same reason allowing some toons to bypass that rule are less wise and will only cause discontent among us because of the favoritism call being played very soon after (rightfully so).
Sure, maybe a vote about allowing it for that toon made by all the DMs would stave of some of that heat.
It will come down to a point where having discussions about someone's build bogs down staff attention at other issues.
Issues perhaps more valuable to all, rather than to the player who wants a toon to be different just because something truly amazing happened when it considered frog philosophy.
Because if one are allowed to bypass the rule, other players will want the same treatment for their pet peeve and thus the stack of things to do will pile ever higher.
Along with complaints.

/M

[Mallore]

To storm


I agree with almost all your thoughts and are items I've kept in mind.

Really a 100 percent rcr token in the next six to eight months fixes my problem but maybe not some other player who becomes new to this wonderful realm. This is why I argue for a ruling.

I do agree favoritism would be thrown about, accusations and other terrible things. But that is the side affect of people being people. There's always going to be these issues regardless. Though it would be terrible to burden the already over worked volunteer dms with constant voting and reviewing.

It seams if the server does seam to go to a 6 month to yearly rcr token my issue is fixed. Though I generally don't like rcr.


Anyway as always, pleasure to debate from the other side.

[Mallore]

Hell if you want a real build challanges that is what world of Warcraft is for.

I highly doubt that WoW build complexity is even remotely close to what D&D offers with multiclassing

Actually it is better and much more important. A single .05 chance can spell whipe for a raid group when trying to go for realm firsts.


Though they are very different games. One is built for it the other is built for rp and single player.

[Thorsson]

Actually it is better and much more important. A single .05 chance can spell whipe for a raid group when trying to go for realm firsts.

You misunderstand. WoW forces you down certain channels; D&D thankfully allows for lots of different options.

Some of what's being talked about in recent threads is that BGTSCC has moved more down the WoW route...

[NegInfinity]

Hell if you want a real build challanges that is what world of Warcraft is for.

I highly doubt that WoW build complexity is even remotely close to what D&D offers with multiclassing

Actually it is better and much more important. A single .05 chance can spell whipe for a raid group when trying to go for realm firsts.


Though they are very different games. One is built for it the other is built for rp and single player.

WoW does not multiclass. I'm certain of it. D&D 3.5 allows insane amount of customization in comparison. You're looking at few a billions possible builds, most likely, without clear "winner", most of the time.