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Should we loosen restrictions on the underdark?

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Re: Should we lessen restrictions on the Underdark? [Poll]

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Grendunor wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:46 am Roleplay over swordplay

I don't think KoS should be a thing but at the same time I don't think there should be an "opt out" of conflict for surfacers in the Middledark/underdark and vice versa.
I understand where you are coming from, and I have a very similar mindset. But mostly just the fact I'd rather not have others focus on PvP to aggravate others so they focus RP on said aggressors aftermath-wise. Without build up IC.

But due to the current PvP rules of RP In and out of PvP (Let's change PvP to the words Conflict now), it creates issues in the future making others taking some threats to light in-game due to OOC rules. By enacting a KoS just removes the In and Out of PvP making them just prime targets if they don't go to the length of being creative player side and disguising up.

Being killed on sight can easily be avoided IC, so long as the player does it right when on the move to and from.
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izzul wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:46 am I dont want my Svirf SR removed. he never goes to surface :lol:
What self respecting Svirf would ever go to the surface where there's less gemstones to be found?!

On a more serious note, why are we discussing balancing concerns for letting UDers roam the northern areas without getting KoS? It was stated that they still wouldnt be able to loot/gain xp on the surface, simply that the KoS PvP rule and the 'needing an RP reason' rule would be removed from certain northern areas. A discussion about increasing potential places UDers can go to find RP should have nothing to do with their stats.
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AsuraKing wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:33 pm
izzul wrote: Sun Aug 01, 2021 4:46 am I dont want my Svirf SR removed. he never goes to surface :lol:
What self respecting Svirf would ever go to the surface where there's less gemstones to be found?!

On a more serious note, why are we discussing balancing concerns for letting UDers roam the northern areas without getting KoS? It was stated that they still wouldnt be able to loot/gain xp on the surface, simply that the KoS PvP rule and the 'needing an RP reason' rule would be removed from certain northern areas. A discussion about increasing potential places UDers can go to find RP should have nothing to do with their stats.
Because everyone's jumping on the PvP bandwagon? :P
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It seems there are a lot of concerns about grinding on here and drow going to grind areas. So I will say this (once again.)

This is not about PVP rules or grinding areas. It is about letting the UD folks come RP with other evils on the surface in select areas like Soubar and the surrounding areas. The discussion for opening areas for allowing them to take on surface PVE content is an entirely other discussion. Baby steps. We aren't opening the floodgates all at once here. I also don't think I ever proposed nerfing UD races at any point. I also never proposed the UD races having access to BG city or the Farmlands or areas around BG either, so I am not sure why that is even being discussed here as it was never in the proposition.


Try to keep on topic so that we don't make the voting/discussion bogged down in things that aren't relevant to the actual preposition here or else it will get confusing for people very quickly.

Also good to keep in mind is that PVP is about 5% of what the average person does on this server. I don't think that we should fixate so much on stats and PVP in this discussion as we are right now. Drow can already come on the surface and PVP, this proposition won't change that. Those that focus on PVP solely and choose Drow for only that reason traditionally don't last very long on the server, and this proposition wont change this.

This is to increase RP opportunities, the proposition here is not meant to be focused on PVE and PVP content, only lessening restrictions in certain areas to promote RP between players in areas that, quite frankly. already traditionally are where Drow RP comes to the surface anyways, this will just relieve that anxiety of a DM coming along and bugging UD players about their RP reasons ect for being in the north.

A lot of the folks here seem to be really, really overthinking this proposition, and I urge those coming into the discussion to please go back to page 1 and actually take a look at what it is before voting or engaging in the discussion. The last several pages appear to be completely off topic of the actual proposition.


If you've already said your piece as to why/why not you are voting yes or no, then please move on and do not flood the thread with quoting and trying to dispute each others opinions. We really want this to be as simple as possible and get as many opinions as possible about the actual proposition and how each individual feels.

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Is the main fear that Drow will grind on the surface? The path from the Surface to Sshamath goes through the leveling areas for Underdarkians. One side has had forced pvp for a decade while the other side got to avoid by having their leveling areas far away from the Surface/Underdark transitions. :roll:
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Voted no and not because I don't feel there can be positive outcomes from this but more honestly to God feel there will be some players who will F*** this up. Somehow skirt the rules - perhaps not at first, but eventually. And they'll ruin it for those who had the better intention.

To say that PVP is NOT an issue and shouldn't be discussed - I feel it IS an issue and will become one. This is why some people are actually voting no. And this is why they are stating why they are saying NO. But I've monitored this chat both in forums and other chat mediums to know that this is something some DMs/Staff actually want so I feel no need to go against the grain in trying to reason why this will be an issue eventually. I can see this is going to happen regardless at this point.

Sometimes we have to go back to the beginning to learn again why things were done the way they were. Sure things might be different this time around... but hell, there are still people who hold 10 year old grudges who still play this game. I feel the playerbase hasn't gotten better at all since those years back then. But hey, open the gates and take notes. It's all I can say.

I know my opinion here doesn't make me any popular with my friends who do play UD characters and its no attack against them personally or anything like that. I just REALLY REALLY hope things don't repeat the way they did years ago. Sure - PvP is NOT an issue today, but that 5% that was referenced earlier, will no longer be 5% once this happens. Cause and reaction.

But hey, I am hoping to be proven wrong and I mean that. Here's to hoping players get it right this time.
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Anyhow, I am not taking back anything I have said previously...

But I did start from more or less zero in the Underdark... Level one, and I passed over a +3 Tower Shield, +1 EB Weapon with +1 Magic Damage, and a mundane iron Full Plate. That character of mine is now at level 14, and this character of mine now has three +4 AC Items, Mithral Full Plate, and the rest of his equipment is either at +3 or slightly better. In all due honesty, this character of mine would have probably had more of those +4 items under the old loot system, the one that was in use a few years back.

Anyhow, based on my recent experience in the Underdark, I would not actually advice anyone to play down there unless they make use of a build that can actually solo the content from level one to early, mid, or late epics -- or -- see the effort to actually form up parties by asking around in either Discord, IRC, or here on the forums. Of course, the active hours of the server do change day to day, but generally speaking you can mostly expect to play alone as the Underdark players generally tend to hide their locations, and usernames, and level ranges. Which means that you do not have the convenience of just going wherever the players are at the moment, like you could do on a whim on the surface. Thus, from the face of it, there is not going to be all that much player to player interaction, your character is going to be more or less alone, while the surface remains populated. If you do run up to other players, it is going to be a bit of a mixed bag of all kinds of possible weird outcomes. You will encounter 'Drow' that some could in all due honesty describe as 'Moon Elves' in both appearance and behaviour -- and I can fully well understand why some would not exactly say nice things about them from a strict lore perspective, and a part of me would point towards early first and second edition D&D and their encounters with 'Dark Elves' and state how there is actually a lore based niche for that kind of characters. You could also encounter characters that role-play the whole 'suspicious malice' aspect of 'Drow' role-play -- and even if your characters do not come to blows straight away, do you really have any in character reason to party up with the other character? This kind of encounters tend to be of the kind where you are simply balancing on the tip of the knife, where every word has to be considered ten times over, and usually the best outcome is to just walk in different directions. Some people will use their weird made up words of their own creation, and while some can argue how it adds flavour; well, too much salt in my soup is still too much salt, and no argument of the waiter will change that fact. Then at times some of the surface characters get lost in the Underdark, and it can be either a hit or miss. Finally, you got the few high level Underdark characters, with their full stealth investment and nothing to do in all due honesty. Historically speaking, any interaction with a lower level character usually quickly slides into the realm of griefing. Thus to avoid accusations griefing, you will just have a high level sneak or two follow you around while taking notes of whatever you do, and I imagine that it is simply because they have nothing better to do. Thus they will trigger more spawns as they move about, and higher level mobs if they are 'first' player in an area, thus once again; it is good to have a character build that can solo the content from level one to the epics. At some point you will just get sick of it, so you too will toggle yourself hidden in the Scrying Tool, and voila, it further gives the impression that no one is actually playing in the Underdark. All of this above sums up to and manifests the desires of the Underdark characters to leave the Underdark behind, because grinding the areas all alone will eventually get rather boring.

Oh, and with the epic sneaks sneaking about, you cannot even taunt back at the 'intelligent' NPC mobs, lest an 'unseen' sneak player sheds crocodile tears to the Dungeon Masters about the mean words said to the emotionless and mindless NPCs mobs. Will someone please think of the mere lines of code, indeed. :roll:


Anyhow, when you play in the Underdark, you will eventually just want to leave it behind. This will not change with brighter areas, because the primary cause and effect is the lack of players to interact. Which brings me back to the topic of Spell Resistance. Rest in an exterior map, lose Spell Resistance until you rest again in an interior map. It will act as a mechanical incentive for the 'Drow' on the surface to act like 'Drow on the surface' if they wish to retain their Spell Resistance, or lose it, which in turn lessens the mechanical advantage the 'Drow' would have on the surface.


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Heh, your "more or less zero" is still noticeably more than Silia started out with (she didn't mule anything over)... though she did briefly have the benefit of a bodyguard.

All in all, though, yeah. Random encounters are generally not going to work, and I suspect the only reason Red/Dae's stint in the Underdark was relatively successful is that:
  1. I waited until there was a low-level PC I could tag along with. (This wasn't as useful as I'd hoped, since I think timezone and playtime constraints both worked to reduce the frequency of our interactions... and then she got punted over to Rockrun, and the PC who kicked her plot off no longer got to interact with her for the most part.)
  2. Someone else created a character specifically to interact with me and the UD lowbies. That character proceeded to take a special interest in Dae, and her player coordinated playtimes with me (and/or vice versa, depending on the day). Better still, we had similar timezones and were thus theoretically capable of running prolonged sessions with multiple adventures and/or long conversations.
  3. I almost never hid myself on the Scry, to encourage pseudo-random encounters with the other UDers - especially the one or two who were in my level range.
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People keep bringing up Pvp incidents of yesteryear, and from what I've seen, DM Team here makes decsions based on actions of few that effects every one, instead of you know, Nutting up and Punishing the ones that did the transactions or rule breaking, i of course, bring up the Age Change and then reverting of it as a prime example.
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edmaster wrote: Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:26 pm People keep bringing up Pvp incidents of yesteryear, and from what I've seen, DM Team here makes decsions based on actions of few that effects every one, instead of you know, Nutting up and Punishing the ones that did the transactions or rule breaking, i of course, bring up the Age Change and then reverting of it as a prime example.
It's worth reminding that just punishing offenders is often not a wholesale solution, and definitely isn't in this case.

You can kick someone out of your house party for peeing in your punch bowl but even if they're gone you still have a bowl full of pee.
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Endelyon wrote: Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:19 pm
edmaster wrote: Tue Aug 10, 2021 5:26 pm People keep bringing up Pvp incidents of yesteryear, and from what I've seen, DM Team here makes decsions based on actions of few that effects every one, instead of you know, Nutting up and Punishing the ones that did the transactions or rule breaking, i of course, bring up the Age Change and then reverting of it as a prime example.
It's worth reminding that just punishing offenders is often not a wholesale solution, and definitely isn't in this case.

You can kick someone out of your house party for peeing in your punch bowl but even if they're gone you still have a bowl full of pee.
And it is a situation where you can stare at the punch bowl with the urine in it, you can blame whoever peed on it, but sometimes it is also good to have a look at the queue to the loo. Doesn't excuse the earlier act, but hey, at least your house plant is still alive. :lol:

Anyhow, it is good to keep in mind that different players will have different expectations when it comes to meeting the drow, and especially so when people are encountering them on the surface. You know, it will be difficult to maintain lore based hostility, if every time you log in, you have those twelve or so Eilistraee worshipping drow singing their kymbaya at the Eastern Farmlands Campfire. And even if the drow on the surface are evil, what kind of evil role-play are people even expecting out them? Because from lore perspective, either the Drow murder, loot, pillage everything that they see in their sight -- or they attempt something more long term such as subverting an entire city from the shadows one favour at a time? One thing will be fun for one player, while another will want to see absolutely none of it: it is a situation where you literally cannot please everyone.

And then it finally comes down to Drow appearance, and below are two covers for the exact same book:
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Which is more accurate in your opinion? The blueish-grey or the purplish-brown? Or would you actually prefer some other hue? If you scroll up, the cover art of Drizzt Do'Urden gives him a hue in almost every shade of the raindbow.

And finally, there are Drow and Dark Elves in other media sources, and thus player expecations for the Forgotten Realms Drow are not always even entirely based on Forgotten Realms Drow, and Forgotten Realms Drow even within its own source material migth be in conflict due to variations of lore and rules in the different editions of D&D.

It is a good principle to just live and let live, but there will always be a drow character that will somehow violate the expectations of at least one other player. Who will the server choose to punish when that eventually manifests in some form of player conflict? We can say and point out how there is urine in the bowl, but the server doesn't always punish the guy zipping up his pants next to the bowl.
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I guess the analogy here might be more representative if you say you're choosing between the risk of occasionally having to replace the punch bowl because someone peed in it... and putting it in a glass box so that no one can either pee in or drink from it.

Whether you want to say that the UD is inside or outside the box, it generally does not occupy the same space as the surface. When the two are allowed to interact, it's because your box has cracks in it that occasionally allow interactions between the two... sometimes drinking, sometimes peeing.
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Before this gets out of hand can we stop talking about peeing? :shock:
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Ewe wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 10:16 amBefore this gets out of hand can we stop talking about peeing? :shock:
Well, one must ponder and ask, what would you rather talk about? Perhaps, taking the number two in the shower, during the aforementioned party? :lol:
DaloLorn wrote: Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:54 amI guess the analogy here might be more representative if you say you're choosing between the risk of occasionally having to replace the punch bowl because someone peed in it... and putting it in a glass box so that no one can either pee in or drink from it.

Whether you want to say that the UD is inside or outside the box, it generally does not occupy the same space as the surface. When the two are allowed to interact, it's because your box has cracks in it that occasionally allow interactions between the two... sometimes drinking, sometimes peeing.
So let us assume this whole thing goes through, and Drow can walk with their faces in the open in Soubar. I do not know how active the Menzoberranzan Lolthites or Eilistraeean Moon Dancers are on this server, right here and now, but I cannot imagine them getting all that well along on the muddy streets of Soubar. One group attempts to build their connections for a some sort of open to all surface haven, while the other seeks to enslave more slaves for the glory of Lolth. One of these groups will kick the other out of Soubar, and the group that lost will most likely beeline towards the many campfires of this server, in an attempt to make IC trouble for the other group. The Eilistraeean Moon Dancers will beg and plead for the brave surface adventurers to drive away their kin, while the Menzoberranzan Lolthites will just attack these campfires and leave hints about retreating back to Soubar. Either way, the presence of Drow in Soubar will become public knowledge, and there are factions, guilds, and characters who would have none of it -- and thus the Dungeon Masters can get their hands busy about the upcoming siege of Soubar. Who knows, perhaps it will be fun for all, perhaps. It would not be first time the server bears witness to such conflicts, age tends to gold memories, and some lessons need to be learned the hard way.

And I do sound like a broken record... But if an Underdark character rests on an exterior Map, they should lose their Innate Spell Resistance until they rest within an exterior map. It will not fix all problems, but it will remove some at least from Surface-Underdark interactions, whatever form those take.
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And anyhow, a thought popped up in my head about all of this. Since I brought up those Menzoberranzan Lolthites, I have to admit that this server does not exactly offer fertile grounds for that kind of Underdark role-play. At the time of the split between Surface and the Underdark, a majority of players tended to be arcanists of one kind or another, who upon had the great freedom to just Mord/Bigby Six any uppity priestess of Lolth. It played a role why the city of S'shamath was eventually created on this server, because in a sense, the Drow players were already rather upset that their characters would be split away from the rest of the server, and instead of the freedom to decide their charatcer fates, they would be more less stuck to saying things like: 'Yes ilharess' -- to every single level one cleric of Lolth that happened to log in. Thus if these players wanted their characters to achieve something, they would have to either roll a priestess of Lolth of their own, which in turn brings us to the pecking order among the priestesses of Lolth... Either it is based on "Cleric v. Cleric" PvP, or simply favour with the Dungeon Masters, and the longevity of any character tends to garner Dungeon Master favour in quantities that is not easily overcome or bested. Not to mention how Menzoberranzan Lolthite role-play tends to manifest servers where you have something like ten clerics of Lolth for every character that is not, and it is simply because the 'servile' role-play tends to grow old rather fast. Not to mention that even if you use your cunning to become an unseen puppet master -- the moment a particular cleric character no longer logs in, well, you kind of lost a large portion of your influence in a female dominated Lolth worshipping drow city. Thus, when I consider the actual player characters of time, the creation of the S'shamath was really the best choice that could have done. Sure, it is a Wizard dominated mercantile city, but at least your character doesn't have to wear high heels and thongs while cracking a whip, and the mercantile nature of the city tends to give role-playing avenues for all kinds of other characters. But even with all that said, the Underdark players who want that Menzoberranzzan Lolthite role-play seem to really loath the city of S'shamath, because it is not the city they would prefer to have. Thus, when it comes to the topic of access to the surface, it is seen as an opportunity to practice the evil deeds of a Menzoberranzan Lolthite -- those chaotic evil deeds to please their goddess and to earn her favour. And that in turn will create the same old PvP issues, because no matter how many of offensive spells you cast on the streets of Beregost, you still have not achieved anything unless you have a Dungeon Master to control the NPCs... Which means that without constant Dungeon Master support, a group of Menzoberranzan Lolthites can only really attack players who mostly sit by the countless campfires. No matter what the hour of the day is, there is always someone there. Now, if you consider how some players might consider their characters as a direct extension of their own person, these players will soon complain about the PvP even if they happen to win it. Which, springs to mind one Half-Elf Warrior of Darkness of mine that happened to be a secret worshipper Bhaal. The worship of Bhaal requires murders committed in the name of Bhaal, you can check that up. Thus at one point, I actually ended up finding a way into the Upperdark, and I did run around utterly lost down there for few hours, and when I finally managed to backtrack to wherever I had come from, (I was no where near to finding Rockrun or S'shamath), I encountered a grinding party of some kind. Some gnome warlock on the left side, some woman on the middle, and the third left no impression whatsoever. My own character was down to 1/3rd or 2/3rd of his hitpoints, and this party spread out to block passage through without provoking attacks of opportunity. As a Bhaal supporter, my character was not the nicest guy to begin with, who then encounters three strangers in a dungeon after being lost in the 'Underdark' for who knows how long -- the three perform mindless greetings, I emote hostility -- the warlock decides to start spamming invocations -- and so I have my character attack the woman in the middle. My charatcer quickly loses to the fully buffed up party, as I had expected, and before I can toss them a Mithral armor as prize of their victory (had found it along the way, no use for myself), the player of that female character starts complaining and continues to complain and begins to demand OOC information about my character over tells for about 30 or so minutes until I just logged off. Come next reset, I used the borked up disguise tool to bug out my character's name, and changed the deity of that character into something else. As for the Mithral armor, either sold at a mistakenly low price in the consignment store, or just left into a campfire. I do not know who those three were and I do not care to know, but I would wager that the more Drow characters are on the surface, the more interactions like that will play out. Either some Paladin attacks Eilistraeean Moon Nudists, or some Menzoberranzan Lolcow goes to Hilltop Ruins to PvP under level tens.


And now I look at that wall of text, and roll even my own eyes. Anyhow, the kill on sight rules do not prevent your character from going to the surface in order to role-play. If you want to do something hostile, send a tell asking first, and people can usually work something out.


Oh, and I have nothing against some Surface grinding areas for the UD characters, some village with a quest to set houses on fire for 200 experience, and villagers to slay. As for some higher level area, maybe some castle guarded by human warriors to attack? But a grinding area like that would be quite evil indeed... So nothing like it will be added to the server, so Underdark players must request for a Dungeon Master support for such an events -- and hosting such events is not necessarily what a dungeon master wants to do.
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