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Re: Incoming Update
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 7:54 am
by DM Golem
At the moment I understand its unchanged. Although I reiterate, its being looked at closely.
Re: Incoming Update
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:05 am
by Karond
The cap could be reverted back to how the game was released (+5, +10, +15 for lesser, regular and greater dispel magic respectively). As I've understood it, the current form (+10, +15, +20) is pnp accurate though.
Reverting the cap is a quick fix. Another option is changing monsters. Although many of them have been tailored to deal with the dispel bug by having breach instead of dispel, one could still look at replacing some of those with dispels of appropriate levels. That's another possible way of going at it.
Either way, it's being discussed what to do, if indeed anything at all.
Re: Incoming Update
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:11 am
by chad878262
sweetlikesplenda wrote:Snarfy wrote:An update is apparently impending, we just got the server message. Is this "the" update I wonder?
Also... I'm a bit fuzzy on something, and a little concerned about the "dispel fix" going in. Forgive my ignorance, but maybe someone can explain how this is going to affect wand/scroll usage? I'm a bit ignorant on wands/scrolls and CL in general, so specifically:
- How hard is this "fix"(I hesitate to even call it that, based on everything I've heard) going to hit those that use wands to buff?
- Is the CL of wands/scrolls based on the crafters CL, or the users?
- are pixies/orcs/mobs in general(and their cheating AI that spams dispel at warded toons) going to be able to dispel wand/consumable reliant toons to the nines?
The CL is the first level the caster can select/cast the spell normally. So, if a fireball wand is created it will use the first level this can be cast normally, which is level 3. So the CL on the wand for the fireball will be level 3, even if the caster that made it is level 30. A Barkskin wand should only be able to give in the 1-6 spell caster level range which only gives a + 3 Natural Armor bonus. So, regardless of the level of the caster, it will give the lowest level possible to cast the spell. I am pretty sure this is how it works. It should be the same for scrolls, I believe, unless the scroll has another CL listed in the description.
I played on a NWN1 server years ago whose dev team went in and adjusted it to actual CL. But, that does not seem to be the case here.
This isn't how it works. CL for fireball is minimum 5, not 3 and nwn doesn't automatically use min CL, it's a cl set by the engine. For instance flame arrow uses CL 17 even though it's a 3rd level spell. Barkskin uses CL12 (+4 AC, not +3). There is an nwn wiki page with all wands and CL if anyone is interested.
As stated we will monitor the impact and then make adjustments if decided it's necessary.
Re: Incoming Update
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:13 am
by Karond
chad878262 wrote:There is an nwn wiki page with all wands and CL if anyone is interested.
Here is the link for that
Re: Incoming Update
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:19 am
by Rhifox
Karond wrote:The cap could be reverted back to how the game was released (+5, +10, +15 for lesser, regular and greater dispel magic respectively). As I've understood it, the current form (+10, +15, +20) is pnp accurate though.
The +20 on GDispel is pnp accurate. Regular Dispel is supposed to only be +10 though. Lesser Dispel isn't listed on the SRD I'm looking at, but it would presumably be +5.
Re: Incoming Update
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:26 am
by Karond
Rhifox wrote:Karond wrote:The cap could be reverted back to how the game was released (+5, +10, +15 for lesser, regular and greater dispel magic respectively). As I've understood it, the current form (+10, +15, +20) is pnp accurate though.
The +20 on GDispel is pnp accurate. Regular Dispel is supposed to only be +10 though. Lesser Dispel isn't listed on the SRD I'm looking at, but it would presumably be +5.
Ah, thanks for the clarification. That's certainly an option then. I personally feel like the lesser and regular one are those that hurt the most. For example, people seem to avoid areas like the sharpteeth orcs because the shamans cast the regular dispel. At higher levels, people are probably better equipped to handle it.
Re: Incoming Update
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:36 am
by Tenebrosity
Oh,
I didn't paid attention to the thread here, but maybe my question will be more appropriate here.
I was in the process of making my new character and wanted to know if it was worth it or if I should wait due to the possibility of another roll-back.
Thanks for thr big update and all the hard work!
Tenebrosity.
Re: Incoming Update
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:38 am
by mrm3ntalist
Tenebrosity wrote:Oh,
I didn't see the post here, but maybe my question will be more appropriate here.
I was in the process of making my new character and wanted to know if it was worth it or if I should wait due to the possibility of another roll-back.
Thanks for thr big update and all the hard work!
Tenebrosity.
Are you going to RCR? If so, definetely wait. I believe this update is not going to be rolled back.
Re: Incoming Update
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:42 am
by Tenebrosity
mrm3ntalist wrote:Tenebrosity wrote:Oh,
I didn't see the post here, but maybe my question will be more appropriate here.
I was in the process of making my new character and wanted to know if it was worth it or if I should wait due to the possibility of another roll-back.
Thanks for thr big update and all the hard work!
Tenebrosity.
Are you going to RCR? If so, definetely wait. I believe this update is not going to be rolled back.
That would be the wise thing to do ! Thank you
Re: Incoming Update
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 10:20 am
by The Whistler
Bit off topic, but could we get some information on how the escape artist roll works ?
Re: Incoming Update
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:18 am
by CommanderKrieg
Well until the ranged touch attack is fixed I'm worthless.
You know where I'll be!
http://kingdomofsilversun.net/forums/index.php
Re: Incoming Update
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:24 am
by mrm3ntalist
Tyeressen uses touch attacks??? That explains a lot
Re: Incoming Update
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:27 am
by CommanderKrieg
All of the ranged touch attacks!
Re: Incoming Update
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:30 am
by Calodan
Ah, thanks for the clarification. That's certainly an option then. I personally feel like the lesser and regular one are those that hurt the most. For example, people seem to avoid areas like the sharpteeth orcs because the shamans cast the regular dispel. At higher levels, people are probably better equipped to handle it.
Right up until you get Mords by the Frost king and then he has two more greater dispels as his disposal........then DM events where there are 5 high level casters with a bevy of greater dispel and mords.......
Fix is good! I am all for fixing it but the caps and mainly AMOUNT of the spells we face are going to be hell on wand, scroll and UMD users. There will need to be a better loot system in place for them to afford being dispelled at such rates on the server.
Re: Incoming Update
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 12:20 pm
by pimpjwp
Is bigby 9 going to be fixed or are we stuck with this very very sad new version which by no means reflects pen and paper and makes every monster and player a automatic gold metal greko Roman wrestler who can grapple a giant magic hand while welding weapons and such without being distracted lol? And against the QC team advice?