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Re: Warlock Lore - Must Read

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:07 pm
by DM Mouse
Montaron Alagondar wrote:*Sees the word 'Primordial' and the FRENZIED BERKSERKER'S FRENZY flips on.*
The four elemental deities for all intents and purposes are the most powerful elementals of their kind in existence, but they are viewed as nothing else than gods by mortals of the planes.
It is believed that Nath brokered a deal between the genasi and the primal fire elemental
known as Sthes'kthes. In return for serving the primal and his master Kossuth, the genasi were granted
warlock powers.
Right here it even implies it was not Kossuth whom gave the Warlocks their power, rather just one of his elemental servants. The same paragraph suggests the elemental planes themselves can spawn Warlock abilities in individuals. Cool, huh?

Re: Warlock Lore - Must Read

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:31 pm
by WeWhoEat
DM Mouse wrote:
Montaron Alagondar wrote:*Sees the word 'Primordial' and the FRENZIED BERKSERKER'S FRENZY flips on.*
The four elemental deities for all intents and purposes are the most powerful elementals of their kind in existence, but they are viewed as nothing else than gods by mortals of the planes.
It is believed that Nath brokered a deal between the genasi and the primal fire elemental
known as Sthes'kthes. In return for serving the primal and his master Kossuth, the genasi were granted
warlock powers.
Right here it even implies it was not Kossuth whom gave the Warlocks their power, rather just one of his elemental servants. The same paragraph suggests the elemental planes themselves can spawn Warlock abilities in individuals. Cool, huh?
It reminds me of something neat that I read somewhere regarding the source of Planestouched. Might have been some other version even or something homebrewed, but it said that shagging an Outsider was not the only way to have a child who was Planestouched. Rather, if an expectant mother were to spend a good deal of time on another Plane, or the child was conceived by two normal parents while on another plane, the energies of said plane could permeate the womb and cause the baby to be infused with the energy and born differently, thus being "Touched by the Plane" or just simply Planetouched.

Not sure where I read it from, but I certainly think it provides an interesting alternative route to come up with Planestouched.

Re: Warlock Lore - Must Read

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:48 pm
by Deathgrowl
I have been wanting to play a Slaad themed warlock for some time, but so far I haven't been able to find any lore to justify it. And we don't have the human with Slaad ancestry planetouched thingie here. :(

Re: Warlock Lore - Must Read

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 9:46 pm
by Simian
DM Mouse wrote:
Montaron Alagondar wrote:*Sees the word 'Primordial' and the FRENZIED BERKSERKER'S FRENZY flips on.*
The four elemental deities for all intents and purposes are the most powerful elementals of their kind in existence, but they are viewed as nothing else than gods by mortals of the planes.
It is believed that Nath brokered a deal between the genasi and the primal fire elemental known as Sthes'kthes. In return for serving the primal and his master Kossuth, the genasi were granted warlock powers.
Right here it even implies it was not Kossuth whom gave the Warlocks their power, rather just one of his elemental servants. The same paragraph suggests the elemental planes themselves can spawn Warlock abilities in individuals. Cool, huh?
I guess some clarifications are in order, the Elemental Lords while not deities themselves, are still powerful enough to rival and surpass PLANAR Greater Deities. Planar deities unlike single sphere deities draw their share of 'faith' from several hundred, thousand or even hundreds of thousands of seperate prime-worlds, where as single sphere deities are just stuck in one. An example of a single sphere deity could be 'AO' of Forgotten Realms campaign setting, the head-honcho of Toril and practically a nobody outside of it.

Now, the Elemental Lords are much like Greater Deities as even they have their own set of 'followers,' 'minions,' and 'fanatics' performing tasks of all nature. Therefore, it is not that far off to consider that the fire elemental Sthes'kthes would 'set the mortal souls of few fire genasi ablaze' allowing them to tap into their bloodline 'potential' for certain services rendered. However, there might just as well be some planar master plan behind it, just as well Sthes'kthes might be strangely caring elemental 'parent' looking after its mortal prodigy, or more likely Sthes'kthes is simply taking care off some unwanted offsprings by letting their own inner flames devour their mortal souls. (According to Planewalker's Handbook, most elemental originators - and pretty much every other planar being capable of having offspring with mortals - seek to destroy their new-born mortal spawn. Normally all planetouched that survive have been raised by other mortals, unless communities of them have been formed.

As for elemental planes spawning those abilities, I suppose those could make it easier for a 'planetouched' character to reach within and gain 'warlock' powers. However, I must say that I do not recall such a mention in the article itself.

Anyhow, the 'planetouched' pacts and bloodlines are not necessarily any bit safer than the 'infernal pacts.' Warlocks are still restricted to the Chaotic and Evil alignment alignments. Regardless of the 'spark's' source, it will taint and twist the mortal soul of the warlock to a point nothing short of mutilation. Those of Chaotic and Evil alignments will find both reasons and excuses noble and foul to inflict that on to themselves, where as for everyone else the price is simply too much to pay.
WeWhoEat wrote:It reminds me of something neat that I read somewhere regarding the source of Planestouched. Might have been some other version even or something homebrewed, but it said that shagging an Outsider was not the only way to have a child who was Planestouched. Rather, if an expectant mother were to spend a good deal of time on another Plane, or the child was conceived by two normal parents while on another plane, the energies of said plane could permeate the womb and cause the baby to be infused with the energy and born differently, thus being "Touched by the Plane" or just simply Planetouched.

Not sure where I read it from, but I certainly think it provides an interesting alternative route to come up with Planestouched.
I've browsed through the source material, and unfortunately the above is homebrewed. According to source material there is always a planar originator who usually regards the half-spawn born with some level of 'deadly' hostility.
Deathgrowl wrote:I have been wanting to play a Slaad themed warlock for some time, but so far I haven't been able to find any lore to justify it. And we don't have the human with Slaad ancestry planetouched thingie here. :(
Anarchic Heritage migth be something you're after.

The Slaad are Chaotic, they reside in Limbo, and you could have a human with 'frog-like' facial and body features within the limits of standard human facial variation. Wide head, with a wide mouth, puffy cheeks, eyes that stare away from each other, and so on.

Someone should make a thread to request more heritage feats. :lol:

Re: Warlock Lore - Must Read

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:45 am
by burbles
Montaron Alagondar wrote: The Slaad are Chaotic, they reside in Limbo, and you could have a human with 'frog-like' facial and body features within the limits of standard human facial variation. Wide head, with a wide mouth, puffy cheeks, eyes that stare away from each other, and so on.
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Re: Warlock Lore - Must Read

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:42 am
by Aron Times
By Shar! 4chan is built in a manifest zone to limbo!

*A manifest zone is an area in the Material Plane with the traits of another plane.

Re: Warlock Lore - Must Read

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:41 am
by Deathgrowl
Montaron Alagondar wrote:
Deathgrowl wrote:I have been wanting to play a Slaad themed warlock for some time, but so far I haven't been able to find any lore to justify it. And we don't have the human with Slaad ancestry planetouched thingie here. :(
Anarchic Heritage migth be something you're after.

The Slaad are Chaotic, they reside in Limbo, and you could have a human with 'frog-like' facial and body features within the limits of standard human facial variation. Wide head, with a wide mouth, puffy cheeks, eyes that stare away from each other, and so on.

Someone should make a thread to request more heritage feats. :lol:
Yeah, but if I made a warlock, would such a background story be approved at the moment, or do I actually need to have background feats or even a planetouched subrace for it to be plausible?

Re: Warlock Lore - Must Read

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:40 pm
by Simian
That depends on the dungeon masters, but as it stands there are no backround feats that would show for such heritage, nor are the such prestige classes. I've made a suggestion to add those heritage fetas...

But, if the Dungeon Masters don't approve, well, it's just 1000 points of experience you won't get - and there isn't really much else they can do to object based on how it is possible under the 3.5 rules and in Forgotten Realms settings.

Re: Warlock Lore - Must Read

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:45 pm
by scriver
A question. Do the Neutral Evil fiends grant pacts?

Re: Warlock Lore - Must Read

Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:49 pm
by Simian
Yugoloths. Daemons.
They might have a reasonable reasons to such 'trading' to further their own goals, and wealth.

Re: Warlock Lore - Must Read

Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:13 am
by Catam
Montaron Alagondar wrote:Yugoloths. Daemons.
They might have a reasonable reasons to such 'trading' to further their own goals, and wealth.
Yugoloth giving out a pact of power? I really doubt they would deal with a pact when they could just torture the one asking right then and there. They are more mercenaries or henchmen than anything else. The most likely scenario for a Yugoloth to have anything to do with a pact would be acting begrudgingly as the messenger or happily as the torturer for the actual devil holding the pact.

Re: Warlock Lore - Must Read

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:26 pm
by Simian
Well, I would say you underestimate the machinations of the Yugoloths. After all, the blood war is still going on because it is just so 'profitable' for the Yugoloths. :lol:

Re: Warlock Lore - Must Read

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 9:24 pm
by DM Mouse
There's also Malkazid. He went from ruler of a layer of Hell to being a ruling Yugoloth lord, far as I know he and all the Devils who went with him know the value of pacts.

Re: Warlock Lore - Must Read

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:18 am
by DM Wretch
I've always just used the wiki :P

http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Warlock

There's lots of lore and stuff for warlocks.

I'm wondering what classes do you think would be the least likely to forge pacts with warlocks though? Paladins? good-aligned clerics? Divine casters? Would clerics, druids, or FS do it at all?

I really don't think Paladin's or any divine holy figure would, but blackguards and neutrals and evils making pacts seem likely. . .

Re: Warlock Lore - Must Read

Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2013 6:41 am
by Elthan
Least likely: paladin , cleric (unless their pact maker is their divine patron - i can probably think of 2 deities included in game that'll do this) , favored soul (same reason) , divine champion , divine seeker, druid , monk.

The non-divine non-code'o'conduct classes could make a pact just fine.. they'd probably be considered loathsome heathens of their faith. (if they have any).

To open a can of worms i'm not at all comfortable with opening: Warlocks can use any outsider power as the source of their pact.

While not described in 3.5 this leads to two fluff options for a non-evil or different warlock:
Star pact and fey pact warlocks.