Baldur's Gate : The Sword Coast Chronicles : NWN2 Persistent World

Valefort wrote:Just make the create greater undead similar to the lvl 10 PM summon, problem solved.

Feeling the urge to stab in the neck...j/k. No way dude, you take away the vamp, we get to take away your insightful strike!

Knightmare wrote:Implement the epic spell "mummy dust" and make it require 10 levels of palemaster. Then the class can get access to their truly epic undead minion.

Seems fair that the PM has to invest a feat on it seeing that is doesn't take anything to qualify for the class like it does in PnP.

Only if that mummy is able to move at regular speed.
Otherwise, it's gonna be a royal pain in the ass to use.

thay really do have cool hats....

ohboy007 wrote:

Valefort wrote:Just make the create greater undead similar to the lvl 10 PM summon, problem solved.

Feeling the urge to stab in the neck...j/k. No way dude, you take away the vamp, we get to take away your insightful strike!

Insightful Strike was already pushed down two levels in order to make Gishes give up an extra 2 levels to take it.

So when do we get to take the vamp warlock away?

Now that I think of it, almost everyone here talks only of empowering this or that or adding this or that. Why don't we start UNDERPOWERING the whole server's classes and feats a bit?

*Hides into his bunker, pretty aware that everyone is going to use him as artillery shooting target practice*

Darksider_war wrote:Now that I think of it, almost everyone here talks only of empowering this or that or adding this or that. Why don't we start UNDERPOWERING the whole server's classes and feats a bit?

*Hides into his bunker, pretty aware that everyone is going to use him as artillery shooting target practice*

Boo this man! Boooo! Burn the witch! *throws tomatoes*

ohboy007 wrote:

Darksider_war wrote:Now that I think of it, almost everyone here talks only of empowering this or that or adding this or that. Why don't we start UNDERPOWERING the whole server's classes and feats a bit?

*Hides into his bunker, pretty aware that everyone is going to use him as artillery shooting target practice*

Boo this man! Boooo! Burn the witch! *throws tomatoes*

*throws a dragon*

Nothing like a good hit of the nerf bat.

Do not you think it silly that the magician can summon undead stronger than the PM necromancy who devoted his entire life?

odyssey wrote:Do not you think it silly that the magician can summon undead stronger than the PM necromancy who devoted his entire life?

Well to be fair, so can PM's if they go for more caster levels. But yes, I do kind of feel it a bit wierd their summon sucks worse then the 8th level counterpart. Many different lenses to look at this issue with.

Valefort wrote:Nothing like a good hit of the nerf bat.

My next character concept.

ohboy007 wrote:

odyssey wrote:Do not you think it silly that the magician can summon undead stronger than the PM necromancy who devoted his entire life?

Well to be fair, so can PM's if they go for more caster levels. But yes, I do kind of feel it a bit wierd their summon sucks worse then the 8th level counterpart. Many different lenses to look at this issue with.

Not really. Create Greater Undead was 6 secs/lvl exactly for this reason. PM's Greater Vampire was just a bit less powerful, but eternal, which meant every buff investment on it was a good one. This made it much more stable, and in the end much more powerful (thanks to the devs work, the PM has been completely revamped, making it a very good class. Summons included.) than anything else you could ever summon with any character.

So, dont blame the PM summon. Go ahead and ask for reverting CGU to the duration it always had, and should have. Anything else is just persevering with the same mistakes.

Let the Pale Master summon lich

SK2 wrote:Let the Pale Master summon lich

Sure, if you drop the vodka before commenting

probably had in mind the call of undead with the same characteristics but that was visually in the form of the Lich?