Roleplay Experience

[Valefort]

Then I don't understand your post at all Rasael, what is this "grinding XP tally" and how does it work ?

[Hope]

Then I don't understand your post at all Rasael, what is this "grinding XP tally" and how does it work ?

I am completely confused as well then.

[Rasael]

The idea is to create an alternative XP earning system to grinding. You basically get a bonus on top of your normal RP XP. But you only get this if you do not grind XP from combat.

You then have tallies for grinding XP and bonus RP XP, if you earned either. You only get XP from either the bonus or combat if the other tally is 0. You reduce the tally for bonus RP XP every time you would normally earn combat XP. So you begin earning combat XP again once your tally for bonus RP XP has been reduced to 0. And vice-versa for bonus RP XP with a tally of grinding XP.

But you always keep earning the base RP XP rate. Just not the bonus RP XP on top of that if you have a grinding XP tally.

I hope that clarifies it. Its still a bit complicated. It should be more clear in practice if you get messages explaining it.

[Hope]

Ok so my statement still holds then, that RPing then punishes grinding. Which is my worry. You are penalizing XP from grinding if you are involved in RP. That seems very counter-productive as that will cause people to not want to be involved in RP so that they don't raise the "bonus RP tally" which then prevents them from getting their XP from killing.

[Rasael]

My view is that they wouldn't lose out. If you have been roleplaying you have been earning more XP than you normally would with just RP XP. You pay this extra amount "off" if you then go grinding.

So what we have is this:

1. You earn bonus RP XP and regular RP XP
2. You grind and pay off your bonus RP XP
3. You grind and earn XP after paying it off
4. profit.

Normally, you wouldn't have earned that extra XP during step 1. So you pay it "off" in step 2 before progressing regular grinding at step 3.

It doesn't take you extra time to do this because you pick up with earning grinding XP right after when you would normally have earned that amount. You don't really lose out. Instead, it pays more experience to roleplay - if you do so exclusively - than it does right now.

If you both grind and roleplay then nothing really changes. But you will earn more XP during roleplay only sessions than you do currently.

And it becomes less annoying to play characters who avoid combat, or are not really combatants in terms of background.

Or am I missing something?? (I just came back from work, so I'm a bit tired)

[Blame The Rogue]

i agree with hope. this will lead to folks adventuring with zero rp. we're supposed to be ic and rp when we adventure. adventuring with no rp is no fun, and against the spirit of the server

as is, we get xp for both adventure and rp, and can get one or the other or both at once, which is as it should be. if any mods to xp are made, they shouldn't take away from either or, or force one or the other

[Rasael]

You still get roleplay XP if you are adventuring and fighting. You just won't get the bonus RP XP on top of that. Or am I missing something now. You're confusing me!

Roleplay XP as such does not count as bonus RP XP. Bonus RP XP is always the bonus - on top - of regular RP XP. You only earn it if you RP without having a grinding tally. If you grind, then your bonus per RP XP tick will be used to "pay off" your grinding XP tally. But you still earn regular RP XP.

[Blame The Rogue]

you posted that if you maxxed out rp xp and then went and adventured you would get no combat xp? now you're confusing me

[mrm3ntalist]

I think I get what Rasael is saying

1 grind xp stays as is
2 normal rp xp stays as is
3 A bonus rp xp will be implemented
4 That bonus rp xp is going to be payed when you go grind.

So all in all things stay the same with a small rp xp bonus to the RPers

An example would be You gain 500xp from grind, another 400Rping and another 100 from bonus rp xp. If you go grinding again you wont get any xp till that 100point from the bonus RP xp gets even with the grinding

[CrimsonMist]

I think instead of saying "this penalises grinders", you should consider it as a bonus to those who do not grind.

For ex:

So if I were to RP with someone and earn 1000 RP XP and 500 bonus RP XP (for the sake of simplicity)
The other person goes offline so I go to grind instead. The first 500 XP worth of kills grant no XP as I am paying back the 500XP bonus I earnt from RP. I still keep the 1000 "normal" RP XP.

Am I right on this, Rasael?

[Blame The Rogue]

rp and adventure should both be rewarded, it's what d&d is all about

if this is just to give bonus rp xp on top of that, i am for that, but this bonus shouldn't only be given when not adventuring

[Rasael]

Ah okay, to clarify:

There are 3 sources of XP we are talking about.
- Roleplay XP (as it is right now)
- Grinding XP (if you kill stuff, as it is right now)
- Bonus RP XP (new)

Then there are 2 tallies
- Grinding XP tally
- Bonus RP XP tally

Every time you are awarded grinding or bonus RP XP, it is added to your tally for that experience source.

You only get bonus RP XP if you have no grinding tally. And vice-versa, you only get grinding XP if you have no bonus RP XP tally. But you always earn regular RP XP.
You reduce the tallies by earning the opposite XP source. So grinding reduces your bonus RP XP tally. And earning bonus RP XP reduces your grinding tally. Reducing the tally means you don't earn the XP, instead it goes to paying off the tally. You start earning XP from that experience source again once the tally in question is entirely paid off.

- So if you have a bonus RP XP tally, you still earn RP XP, but you don't earn grinding XP until you pay off the bonus RP XP tally with what your grinding would normally have earned.

- If you have a grinding XP tally, you don't earn bonus RP XP, but you continue to earn RP XP normally. You begin to earn bonus RP XP once you pay of your grinding XP tally with what you would have earned in bonus RP XP.


Then if we look at grinding, we see nothing changes. If you grind you will earn XP and RP XP as you normally do. But non-grinding roleplaying suddenly is more worthwhile, because you can now earn bonus RP XP. So grinding shouldn't be negatively affected, while roleplay is encouraged and rewarded more. The XP gain rates are not altered.

[Blame The Rogue]

i am not a fan of rp being rewarded more than adventure. they are both equally important/valid/correct to D&D. as adventurers, we are supposed to do both

[Hope]

I guess my worry is that whole "Nothing is lost when grinding", while overall true, will still add a level of perceived loss. When people are killing things and earning zero exp, even if that exp was earned through RP and is now paying it off it will still be a perceived loss to grinding exp and can further alienate those who primarily just hunt things from actually RPing for fear of gaining that perceived loss.

[Rasael]

i am not a fan of rp being rewarded more than adventure. they are both equally important/valid/correct to D&D. as adventurers, we are supposed to do both

The idea isn't to let you earn more. They are supposed to be equals in terms of experience gain rates. And you will still want to adventure to get loot and magical items, and gold. Not to mention also for the adventure.

You still earn RP XP if you adventure. But not the bonus on top of it. Instead of that bonus you earn grinding XP like you normally do.

If Bonus RP XP is too friendly for Epics, the gain rate will be adjusted