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Re: no more Flaming fist class?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:32 am
by Planehopper
Flasmix wrote:chambordini wrote:Most people don't remember or know the troubled and past server history.
Why anyone would want to bring back any of its elements back into play is beyond me...
Unless of course they played a pivotal role in those dark days and they yearn for the spotlight once again.
A few rotten apples caused the tree to fall. And yes, Myhun did play a pivotal role. If you do a basic forums search for Myhun and go to page 7+ you'll see some really good RP. Again, the only darkness that came from it was 95% from these Norton's Bastards. The Crownsilver crew policed themselves and trimmed the rotten ones. (Beren Cross anyone?)
You can call it a dark part of the server as much as you'd like and yes, I even remember when people would complain about Myhun. But if people are going to leave because they got reprimanded for summoning undead and face consequences then perhaps they're not the best RPers to want to have on the server.
Besides, as it stands now, I've never seen someone summon an undead of demon without some adventurer playing the hero in the current mind frame.
Agreed.
There were obvious abuses near the end (I actually left the server before the Norton's Bastards stuff and that why we stayed gone), but when we first implemented the guild it was a good thing. Borton, Aiden, Justin Crownsilver, Myhun, and that one maybe-shady dwarf feller, I dont remember his name.
It is a lot easier just to say it was all bad, though. Especially for some of you who werent here when it was good.
Re: no more Flaming fist class?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:49 am
by Flasmix
Daaf Rocshanks was his name. He was awesome, best way to get him going was to threaten to bring his wife to the gate. Lol. His journal was amazing.
http://bgtscc.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=11173
Re: no more Flaming fist class?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 1:04 am
by Thorsson
It's fine as long as it's not overpowered, it's not application only and it has no jurisdiction over other PCs. You could still write amazing journals.
Power corrupts.
Re: no more Flaming fist class?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:04 am
by TheLier
Thorsson wrote:It's fine as long as it's not overpowered, it's not application only and it has no jurisdiction over other PCs. You could still write amazing journals.
Power corrupts.
Why shouldn't it be application only?
And by their very nature Fist must enforce the law. That includes jailing people, fines etc.
Anyways, I don't think it would ever work out fine. It would need very close supervision and a lot of retcons.
Re: no more Flaming fist class?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:11 am
by Duster47
The short answer, the overall IC RP benefits could never out-weigh the OOC trouble that resulted from IG interactions of player-FF versus other players.
Re: no more Flaming fist class?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:18 am
by Thorsson
TheLier wrote:Why shouldn't it be application only?
And by their very nature Fist must enforce the law. That includes jailing people, fines etc.
1. Application only is open to abuse. That was part of the problem in the first place.
2. And therein lies the problem, as Duster has acknowledged.
Don't get me wrong, I find it really annoying when people run around civilized areas dragging undead and wild animals behind them too, but that's for DMs to deal with, not PCs. It's precisely because I find it so annoying that it would be a mistake to let me police it, and from posts here I trust others even less than myself.
Re: no more Flaming fist class?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:29 am
by Flasmix
The only way I can see them coming back is if they decide to get in on the mercenary business and allow adventurers to join a sort of special auxiliary unit which doesn't have any policing power but can be hired by factions or NPCs for different tasks.
Re: no more Flaming fist class?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 9:49 am
by Endelyon
Why not just rename the PRC to Bounty Hunter and open it back up?
It's not even that good.
Re: no more Flaming fist class?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:08 am
by Blackman D
a 5 level PrC that basically gives every detection feat free, to include an elven racial feat, isnt good?
it can be easily inserted to damn near every build
Re: no more Flaming fist class?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:18 am
by Endelyon
Blackman D wrote:a 5 level PrC that basically gives every detection feat free, to include an elven racial feat, isnt good?
it can be easily inserted to damn near every build
Last I checked, the creatures in our PVE environment aren't making a great deal of use of the stealth mechanic. When it comes to PVP/RP concerns, yes it is a bit powerful, and it would fit into quite a lot of builds, sure, but the most talented detectors are still going to be bards and druids. You'd mostly just see it taken by fighters and (much more beneficially) by WIS-monks.
On the other hand there's virtually no downside for a non-casting class, so I'll admit it's an
okay PRC. My suggestion was mostly in jest anyway.
Re: no more Flaming fist class?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 10:22 am
by Blackman D
well most everyone knows the AI cant handle hips "fairly" but yea it would be nice if there were more stealth mobs instead of a handful
Re: no more Flaming fist class?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:58 pm
by Calantyr
I want to see more giants stealthing around the place. Or not see, as the case may be.
Re: no more Flaming fist class?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 1:17 pm
by Blackman D
we already have ninja yetis, close enough
Re: no more Flaming fist class?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 2:44 pm
by Thorsson
Hidden Tiger, Sneaking Dragon?
Re: no more Flaming fist class?
Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:25 pm
by Blackman D
i for one think that the tigers on the treadway should have stealth... because why not, its a bloody tiger
