Ranger 2H weapon style

[Touri]

Vendor Xon has focused greatswords. He is a lvl 30 ranger. With improved powerattack and supreme power attack vs favored enemy he does around 50 - 60 dmg criting 140 points of damage. His weapon is +4eb, +1w4 piercing, 2d8 extra crit.
I would have probably taken the two handed style, but I am also happy with the two weapon fighting style. I focused greatsword because he has been my first Baldur's Gate character and he had focused greatswords back in 1998. I often played two handed sword rangers in the old SSI games. They did some great extra damage vs huge creatures. It looked so cool when they hit.

VENDOR XON

HITPOINTS 320

AC -29

LAST SURVIVOR

VENDOR XON
ATTACKS
ETTIN
HITING FOR 146
POINTS OF DAMAGE
ETTIN
IS KILLED

[AlfarinIcebreaker]

I don't understand why the QC team was always against this. It can be balanced, it is not that hard to do it. Hell, make it underpowered even (compared to other styles) but just get it in because it is an fantastic concept.

[Theodore01]

I don't understand why the QC team was always against this. It can be balanced, it is not that hard to do it. Hell, make it underpowered even (compared to other styles) but just get it in because it is an fantastic concept.

Give it Power Attack, Cleave, Whirlwind and Improved Whirlwind attack.

[Valefort]

Maybe PA, IPA, Favored power attack 1, Favored power attack 2 ? As long as it doesn't get Enhanced power attack for free.

[Calodan]

Maybe PA, IPA, Favored power attack 1, Favored power attack 2 ? As long as it doesn't get Enhanced power attack for free.

So Favored Power attack works how?

[Valefort]

You deal more damage against a specific enemy type when using PA or IPA.

For a two-hander against one of those favored enemy the bonus damage from IPA goes from +12 to +18 (and from 6 to 9 if only using PA).

[Calodan]

You deal more damage against a specific enemy type when using PA or IPA.

For a two-hander against one of those favored enemy the bonus damage from IPA goes from +12 to +18 (and from 6 to 9 if only using PA).

I like it! This makes it so they only deal extra damage to FEs and that seems very good to me! Then it also gives a new RP approach to the Ranger class too! Thank you Valefort for bringing that up! It makes so much more sense than just giving a DR or some other thing to just get this in the game.

I also think the Beast Master Idea that Mentalist had was good too. Can we do that one too as well? Gives no weapon or damages but instead gives Feats that pertain to your Companion!

[Storm Munin]

That way a 2H ranger/dragonslayer FE:dragon would be downright awesome on dragons I suppose, all for it.
Thanks for the suggestion Vale.

[Akroma666]

Maybe PA, IPA, Favored power attack 1, Favored power attack 2 ? As long as it doesn't get Enhanced power attack for free.

NOW! Were getting somewhere.

You don't think it should get it at all? Not even at say level 21? That's a pretty heavy investment in itself. Granted, all it would have to do is drop a feat on cleave and lose 1 caster level to get enhanced. So:

PA, IPA, Favored power attack 1, Enhanced PA

Thoughts?

[Calodan]

NOW! Were getting somewhere.

You don't think it should get it at all? Not even at say level 21? That's a pretty heavy investment in itself. Granted, all it would have to do is drop a feat on cleave and lose 1 caster level to get enhanced. So:

PA, IPA, Favored power attack 1, Enhanced PA

Thoughts?

Would Favored Power Attack stack with Enhanced Power Attack? I believe it would. I am guessing the Favored Power Attack would show up as Magical damage and I believe all magical damages stack with each other. Then Enhanced Power Attack actually modifies your DMG multiplier so that would stack with the other no? So yeah it is most likely one or the other. Not both.

[Valefort]

Enhanced power attack works with favored power attack, on a two-hander the damage would go from +18 to +30. Taken from the nwn2 wikia :

Favored Power Attack and Enhanced Power Attack

The feats do work together. However not in the fashion described above. Enhanced power attack is a static +2 power attack damage modifier (+4 improved power attack modifier) that gets added to the power attack damage before all the doubling and tripling gets applied.

[Wyatt]

I like the idea of keeping enhanced power attack on frenzied berzerkers. Favored power attack 1 and 2 would bolster the pure ranger as they get enough FE's to cover the majority of things on the server anyway. They would still be able to fall back onto PA/IPA for non FE's and do similar damage to normal 2h wielders. They would still be very strong against their FE's without being accelerated to the top of the 2h builds for all things in the game. And if they want they can still take FB for the enhanced PA and supreme cleave at the same feat investment as other builds.

[Calodan]

I like the idea of keeping enhanced power attack on frenzied berzerkers. Favored power attack 1 and 2 would bolster the pure ranger as they get enough FE's to cover the majority of things on the server anyway. They would still be able to fall back onto PA/IPA for non FE's and do similar damage to normal 2h wielders. They would still be very strong against their FE's without being accelerated to the top of the 2h builds for all things in the game. And if they want they can still take FB for the enhanced PA and supreme cleave at the same feat investment as other builds.

Favored Power Attack would stack with PA and IPA so according to this chart...

With PA you get +6 Two handed and then another +9 against your FEs which equals to +15 against FEs and +6 against every other Remember you sacrifice -3 AB to get the +15 to FEs. Then with IPA you get +12 Two handed and then another +18 for a +30 to FEs at a -6 AB. That is with what Valefort suggested as the feat progression for a 2H Ranger. Unlike a FB that gets a whopping +24 to all enemies. Now if one wanted they can still take the 5 levels of FB and get the Enhanced PA as well and then the numbers look like this. IPA with Enhanced PA gives +20 to damages with another +18 that amounts to +38 at a -6 AB. This equals out for non FEs at +20 damage at -6 AB. So a ranger hitting a critical against a FE can equal out to 200+ damage for sure but only against FEs. THen against all other creatures it should be about equal to 150+ or so on a critical. Now here is the important part. You can not fit WM/FB/R together without sacrificing CL and feats and be within 3b20 since WM is so feat intensive (I did not build one I am just guessing you can not fit it in 3b20). You miss BOE for Ranger as well.

Anything I missed here? That should about cover some of the mechanical stuff for the feats in question to be added as well as the prime build one might seek to build with this.......

[Valefort]

You're misreading it a bit, there's no addition to make there.

Let's say you have the feat favored power attack : Giants

If you go two-handed and use IPA against a giant you'll get +18 damage. Against any other monster you'll get the regular +12.

With FB and enhanced power attack you get +20 damage instead of +12 when using IPA when two-handing.

Now if you have a build that gets the enhanced power attack feat and you also have favored power attack : Giants .. you'll get +30 damage when using IPA two-handed against a giant.

So the idea is that if you want that huge damage modifier you have to pay for it and go FB 5 / ranger 25, for example.

[Akroma666]

So we are against enhanced power attack all together it sounds?
Focus more on the favored power attacks?